[WEC] Toyota LMP1 Discussion

[TF110]

Heres more from Vasselon http://www.motorsport-total.com/wec/...-14070103.html and others on the wing and brakes. Looks like the brakes will be allowed, as they have been. The wing is still being protested, but Vasselon states they have presented it to the rule makers over again. On top of it he says its not far from what others are doing.

If its 'flexing', every team is guilty as no car is completely stiff. In the slow motion videos, Audi's front fender flexes, Porsche flexes, Rebellion flexes. All the cars have 'give' to them.

[Maelochs]

Ah, but only the Toyota flexes so as to make the car faster ... just by chance , of course ...

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by TF110

Heres more from Vasselon http://www.motorsport-total.com/wec/...-14070103.html and others on the wing and brakes. Looks like the brakes will be allowed, as they have been. The wing is still being protested, but Vasselon states they have presented it to the rule makers over again. On top of it he says its not far from what others are doing.

If its 'flexing', every team is guilty as no car is completely stiff. In the slow motion videos, Audi's front fender flexes, Porsche flexes, Rebellion flexes. All the cars have 'give' to them.

I have a feeling of déj�*-vu

Hasn't it been made sufficiently clear, after all these endless discussions, that the issue is not "flexing" as such, but actual movement (namely rotation) of the entire rear wing main plane and additional flap

[TF110]

Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

I have a feeling of déj�*-vu

Hasn't it been made sufficiently clear, after all these endless discussions, that the issue is not "flexing" as such, but actual movement (namely rotation) of the entire rear wing main plane and additional flap

I know you linked to it. But apparently people still have questions, like yours when the best answer is there. Thats all were going to get on it, so I dont understand why the details about it are coming up. They have tests for flex, that was passed. Theres not much else youre going to get unless Toyota want to give up their secrets. All the talk about the wing moving and which part moves, none of that is going to be answered.

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by TF110

Theres not much else youre going to get unless Toyota want to give up their secrets. All the talk about the wing moving and which part moves, none of that is going to be answered.

We have a pretty good understanding of which parts of the rear wing are moving thanks to Mike's and Sam's detailed analyses, haven't we ?

If there is any "secret" left that is the rationale followed by the ACO-FIA to allow this "movable bodywork part/element" to be raced

[TF110]

Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

We have a pretty good understanding of which parts of the rear wing are moving thanks to Mike's and Sam's detailed analyses, haven't we ?

If there is any "secret" left that is the rationale followed by the ACO-FIA to allow this "movable bodywork part/element" to be raced

Youll have to ask that question to the people asking questions! Their analyses, while intricate, do not solve the entire mystery as to how and why. Im sure no answer will be given that explains how it functions. And we probably wont get an answer as to how its allowed to run. Once again, the rules are only put in words. Words can not cover every solution. I am happy teams are pushing the envelope and finding gaps in the wording.

Someone might call it cheating, I say the rules are only words, and those words can only guide you and limit you in areas. But finding out what you can do with those words is only logical. The worst that can happen is you're told no. If you dont try, you dont know.

But at least we can hopefully look forward to 3 TS040's next year. That would be a first in 16 years.

[cdsvg]

These have already been posted on mulsannescorner, but just a reminder that there appear to be 2 versions of the wing - one which rotates as a rigid unit, allowed by the movement of the cheese wedges through flexibility of the floor and lower bodywork:



and a second version which works with the same cheese-wedge movement, but in this case the ends of the wing are rigidly attached to the endplates. In this version the wing itself is built to be flexible in a specific way, so that there is a change in shape:

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by cdsvg

These have already been posted on mulsannescorner, but just a reminder that there appear to be 2 versions of the wing - one which rotates as a rigid unit, allowed by the movement of the cheese wedges through flexibility of the floor and lower bodywork:



and a second version which works with the same cheese-wedge movement, but in this case the ends of the wing are rigidly attached to the endplates. In this version the wing itself is built to be flexible in a specific way, so that there is a change in shape:

And one may wonder which version was actually green-lighted or if both were.

Key to the entire system are the two vertical supports connecting the rear wing end-plates which are used to transfer the load at high-speed from the rear wing directly to the outer portion of the cheese wedges. If Porsche and/or Audi are desirous of running the same system (which may not necessarily happen this season), we can expect substantial changes at the rear end of the cars.

[MulsanneMike]

Originally Posted by cdsvg

These have already been posted on mulsannescorner, but just a reminder that there appear to be 2 versions of the wing - one which rotates as a rigid unit, allowed by the movement of the cheese wedges through flexibility of the floor and lower bodywork:



and a second version which works with the same cheese-wedge movement, but in this case the ends of the wing are rigidly attached to the endplates. In this version the wing itself is built to be flexible in a specific way, so that there is a change in shape:

Some nice work there Chris. Some time shortly I'm intending on consolidating all my Winggate info onto one page and naturally your animations will fit in nicely.

Just a follow up on this whole saga. Hearing today that it DOES NOT appear Toyota ever did a full rig flex test for the FIA. This would be the test done at their own facility, in the presence of the FIA, that shows their rear wing system passes ALL of the relevant flexion tests, not the "spot" test that's essentially done (or can be done) at a race meeting in scrutineering.

Furthermore; the FIA had a meeting sometime this past week regarding this issue (or, this issue was discussed there indepth). THe results of the meeting will presumable be forthcoming. Vasselon's rather confident public comments seem at odds with what's going on in the background. This ISN'T a done deal by ANY stretch.