DTM 2023

[v8supes]

I tend to agree BertMK2. I can take it or leave it now. You can watch so many GT3 championships many with the same pro drivers in that eventually it all feels very samey.

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

Interesting - for me it's lost a lot of the appeal, it's 'just another GT3 championship' now - and you had ADAC GT Masters for that in Germany anyway. The DTM specific cars were much more spectacular to watch (even if the racing wasn't always as close).

Do you prefer DTM to GTWCE for example? For me I think now it's more down to which circuit they're at than the championship.

Well, if I were to compare the GT3 DTM with the pre-GT3 era then of course I'd take the latter. Part of me has a hope hidden somewhere that eventually DTM will ditch GT3 regulations to move to something 'unique.' Having said that, I must admit there are still some aspects that are better now that in the "pre-GT3" era, although yeah, the whole appeal of the championship has changed a lot.

But my comparison in the previous post was about DTM now, under ADAC versus the GT3 DTM under ITR. When comparing two GT3 DTM 'eras', there's something a lot better about the ADAC DTM. Probably can't explain it fully but that's just the 'feel' of things.

As for DTM vs GTWC, I definitely prefer the former. GTWC is kind of divided between sprint and endurance, lots of different drivers across the season, etc. In the DTM at least I know "who the drivers are" + I prefer the single driver format.

[Bcarr6]

Kinda loosely agree with the above.

I'd love to see:

GTWC focused on 8 Endurance race events a year only, no Sprint
DTM continues on the GT3 PRO, 2x 60min single driver format
ADAC GT takes the GT3 Pro-Am & Am-Am 2x 60min 2 driver format from GTWC Sprint

I'd happily bury GT Open for this 3 series European format, the grids and racing is great but the footage quality is from the 2000s

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Kinda loosely agree with the above.

I'd love to see:

GTWC focused on 8 Endurance race events a year only, no Sprint
DTM continues on the GT3 PRO, 2x 60min single driver format
ADAC GT takes the GT3 Pro-Am & Am-Am 2x 60min 2 driver format from GTWC Sprint

I'd happily bury GT Open for this 3 series European format, the grids and racing is great but the footage quality is from the 2000s

Yep, that sounds reasonable and brings even more order to the GT3 'world.' Would like to see it happen. Driver changes in 60-minute races are a bit of an art for art's sake anyway so making GTWC focus solely on endurance races would make a lot of sense while DTM would be the "touring car" format and ADAC GT would create a platform for some wealthy amateurs or young drivers chasing either a GTWC or a DTM seat in the future for whom sharing a car with a paydriver would make sense financially.

[Matt K]

At the upcoming round at Nürburgring Maximilian Paul will replace Mick Wishofer at Grasser. The reason - probably financial issues. Still not certain if Paul will finish the season or there's more rotations to come. Wishofer's return at some point is not ruled out either.

And Sandro Holzem will debut in the second Project 1 BMW at Nürburgring. Quite curious how he goes although not expecting anything special. My understanding is it might be his only round this season, deemed a 'guest start.'

[GT3_Fan]

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Kinda loosely agree with the above.

I'd love to see:

GTWC focused on 8 Endurance race events a year only, no Sprint
DTM continues on the GT3 PRO, 2x 60min single driver format
ADAC GT takes the GT3 Pro-Am & Am-Am 2x 60min 2 driver format from GTWC Sprint

I'd happily bury GT Open for this 3 series European format, the grids and racing is great but the footage quality is from the 2000s

Disagree. GTWC format is fine as it is now. I like their sprint races just as much as the enduros. The one issue they need to solve is the hideous safety car issue.

DTM seems good too. Perhaps they need to get teams who will field a couple of non Italian and German manufacturer cars in the series. Without losing any of the current 6 makes of course.

[Matt K]

Great races at the Nurburgring this weekend, really enjoyed both of them. It's been the best GT3 DTM season so far IMO. Looks like it's becoming Preining's title to lose now. What a race for Maximilian Paul though! First ever DTM weekend and a win. Wonder if he stays with Grasser for the rest of the season.

[porsche962fan]

after the first 3 or so laps it became rather dull , there were some incidents

[Matt K]

Yeah, Lausitzring rarely provides for a particularly exciting show. But must say the Bortolotti vs Feller battle was quite entertaining on Sunday even though the latter clearly couldn't pass even though he was the faster of the two.
Looks like there are at least three drivers who will fight for the title till the end although probably some more can join the battle.

[porsche962fan]

another snoozefest round hardly anything happens besides some opening lap incidents

[Matt K]

Sadly as much as Sachsenring is a cool, old-school track, it doesn't create many opportunities for overtaking. A good thing is the thrilling fight for the championship between Bortolotti and Preining.

[v8supes]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

another snoozefest round hardly anything happens besides some opening lap incidents

I agree to a point but then i guess all series have their good races and their bad races.

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by v8supes

I agree to a point but then i guess all series have their good races and their bad races.

you can say that Miami Vice season 4 had some good episodes, but the amount and cringeness of bad ones totally overshadows them