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I don't think that the LMS would fit in Brands Hatch, sadly.
It is also worth remembering the LMS is co-promoted my one S Ratel and as him and Mr Palmer don't seem to be able to agree a deal for BGT/F3 to go the MSV tracks, I can't see it happening. |
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Brands would be perfect for the race they have hosted GT,s before and years ago for the 1000k,s Group C,s so cant see why they cant now got a couple of fast straights good corners good spectating. and run by some one who nows how to promote and run a decent race weekend
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To be fair chocmonster, all depends where you are and it's one of those "never can win" situations!
Brands could work well, but depends how SRO can work with Palmer. Wouldn't mind seeing LMS on the Brands GP track though.... |
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What would it require to have a LMS race at Brands with respect to venue mods ?
One of the best tracks in the world in my opinion . If they can have street races in other countries , surely the pits at Brands are better than that provided at street races ? Bring back Brands . DSC are reporting Monza will be back on the calander for 2007 ..... brilliant ! |
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cant see them needing to do to much really. the pits are good enough. got a lot of run off.
just space behind the pits is a little limited i supose |
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Brands would be great but I don't think the GP circuit has the proper international license. It just purely is not safe enough (by current standards)/
the pit complex is also too small to deal adequately with 50 plus sportscars. From a spectator point of view, Brands would be better than Donington (which is better than Silverstone). Local noise controls and lack of safety suggest that this just will not happen. |
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Over here in the US, ALMS always seems to draw a decent amount of spectators in spite of rather thin grids. I was absolutely shocked at how empty Donington looked when I saw the MotorsTV highlights. I mean this was one of the best endurance fields we've seen in ages, yet there were about 5 people there to see it. And from the sounds of it, none of those 5 people had a good time.
Yes, big screens are expensive, which is why ALMS has 3 or 4 of those "dot matrix"-type screens positioned around the track. Much cheaper than the truck-mounted giant TVs, easy to transport and set-up, and capable of communicating the current standings. The light system is elementary, I see no reason why the LMS doesn't have that. As a musician I understand that sadly, promotion is generally more important these days than quality product, the ALMS being a perfect example. However, if you have quality product (like the LMS) AND you promote it properly, well that's gold dust! |
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In the US it seems series like the ALMS need to hit the ground running or they'll flop. Maybe the ALMS is suffering now (grid sizes) because factory teams arrived very early in the series' life, scaring off many smaller privateers. If they had a few more years to bed in, or had previous IMSA GTP experience like Dyson, they maybe could have handled the increased factory competition. Certainly in Europe the likes of Creation and Pescarolo have benefited from the lack of factory competition, improving year on year with a level playing field. Just MAYBE they have what it takes to put up a strong fight against factory Audis and Peugeots in 2007. |
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Very expensive and now tedious travelling, high prices everywhere.....Spa, Zolder, the LeMans Bugatti track, the Ring and the A1 ring.....might be a good schedule. |
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Straight answer for that is a decent number of British-based teams, and circuits the drivers enjoy racing on.
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As far as people showing up was concerned, I'd argue there were more at Donington than either Istanbul (no surprise) or Nurburgring. Combine this with the number of British teams, the potential size of the British market for sponsors/suppliers to sell to, and the overall knowledgability of British fans I think the UK does its bit to justify an LMS round. As I've said elsewhere in this thread, I think Donington got it mostly right. Leaving aside the pit issue, which I think is a fair criticism of the track, I'd say they were about 80% there. Instead of chucking the baby out with the bath water wouldn't it be better to focus on ways of resolving some of the promotional and presentational factors in the LMS? |
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Would the event promotor and his ability to attain sponsorship money be more important then the track? Events need large amounts of upfront cash to be put on. Then the spaying pectators and TV rights though advertsing help pay the promotor back.
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Talk is cheap.
If you love ALMS GT, ELMS GT or FIA GT races, how far would you travel to watch a live race?? and how much entry fee would you pay to specatate ?? Or would you watch all the races on TV? |
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'As far as people showing up was concerned, I'd argue there were more at Donington than either Istanbul (no surprise) or Nurburgring'
Let's get things into perspective, while the Donington crowd wasn't large, or anywhere near it's potential, it wasn't poor, I would say around 15,000. I've seen numerous reports comment on the better than expected (compared to other LMS rounds) turnout. Istanbul - less than 1000, a complete non event and apparently off the 2007 calender. Spa - 25,000? Lots of potential Nurburgring - 10,000? Important market for the manufactuers Monza (2004-2005) - Under 10,000, but deserves a place on the calender for history alone. Donington attracted 35,000 for the 2004 FIA GT race, thanks to sponsorship and a big promotional effort. When Audi and Peugeot provide the funds for promotion, whichever circuit hosts the UK round will see a significant increase in attendance, profile and media attention. |
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I disagree - Its a good story to put the appeal (or otherwise) of this sort of racing for sponsors into perspective.
I wrote something along those lines several years ago around the Brit GTs and John Guest. Fact is - We have a long thread here and elsewhere bemoaning the lack of facilities, the lack of promotion etc etc - The role of the media is to report and comment - In my book that should go way beyond just a photo gallery and a race report, it includes the surrounding picture. Unless you scrape away the layers of reasoning why things aren't as good as they could or should be they are simply never going to change. |
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