Croft 22nd March

[irxcrossi]

Heres Results... Whats the English Rallycross masters, Is it just the opens version of a Superfinal?

Rallycross Open Championship 2009 - Round 1
Division 1

1. Derrick Jobb (GB), Ford Escort RS 2000 T16 4x4
2. Andy Grant (GB), Ford Escort RS 2000 T16 4x4
3. Tommy Graham (IRL), Ford Fiesta ST T16 4x4
4. Mike Manning (GB), Ford Puma T16 4x4
5. Brian Jukes (GB), Audi TT T16 4x4
6. Steve Mundy (GB), Ford Focus T16 4x4


Super National

1. Mike Turpin (GB), Vauxhall VX220
2. Jamie Lea (GB), Toyota MR2
3. Mike Howlin (GB), Ford Fiesta ST
4. Michael Boak (GB), Audi TT
5. Alan Tapscott (GB), Vauxhall Corsa
6. Steve Cozens (GB), Renault Clio

Procar 2000

1. Derek Tohill (IRL), Honda Civic Type-R
2. Dave Baines (GB), Vauxhall Astra
3. Stuart Emery (GB), Peugeot 306
4. Tony Lynch (GB), Peugeot 309
5. Doug Martin (GB), SEAT Ibiza
6. Brian Wade (GB), Vauxhall Nova

Procar 1600

1. Steve Heppenstall (GB), Peugeot 205 GTi
2. Kenny Hall (GB), Peugeot 205 GTi
3. Martin Peters (GB), Citroën Saxo
4. Craig Brown (GB), Peugeot 205 GTi
5. Darren Grimstone (GB), Peugeot 205 GTi
6. Stuart Jackson (GB), Peugeot 205 GTi

"English Rallycross Masters"

1. Mike Manning (GB), Ford Puma T16 4x4
2. Andy Grant (GB), Ford Escort RS 2000 T16 4x4
3. Tommy Graham (IRL), Ford Fiesta ST T16 4x4
4. Derrick Jobb (GB), Ford Escort RS 2000 T16 4x4
5. Alan Tapscott (GB), Vauxhall Corsa
6. Jamie Lea (GB), Toyota MR2
7. Michael Boak (GB), Audi TT
8. Mike Howlin (GB), Ford Fiesta ST

[Gloves]

Originally Posted by flying flynn

Great days sport, Conor really enjoyed his 1st go in the BMW and was delighted to be on the pace and take the win, I think they surprised a few people today, too with 16 yr old Conor taking a win.
Some in car and external vids here

http://www.205cup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=37511#37511

Yeah...I'am sure the guy in red MK6 Escort was surprised when Conor took him out!

[Steve Gibson]

Originally Posted by irxcrossi

Heres Results... Whats the English Rallycross masters, Is it just the opens version of a Superfinal?

No it's just a one off race for that title only no points at stake for anything.

[HelgatheMk2]

No Doubt the BMWs were quick on the loose running on Knobblies, but they will have to learn how to race cleanly!! I heard quite a few people in the revivals complaing about how they got through the field i would not be supprised the Clark of the Course will speak to them at the next meeting or have them run on their own so they only Bash each other about!!!! Not Sure about Juniors in with the seniors!

[Rewsy]

I had a great days racing at Croft, perhaps as I was closer to the back of the action than some of the others I didn't see everything but I think the revivials were just as persuasive as the BMW drivers (I was one of those BMW drivers) in terms of getting round the circuit, I would say on the loose back straight we probably did have somewhat of an advantage, but certainly round the first few corners the revivials on tarmac tyres should of had the edge.

We were supposed to have had our own race, but given only 4 entries they decided to run as with the revivials, unfortunalty it was clear that definantly on the run down to the first corner we had the legs on all but a few of them, and then we were all racing the first corner together, there should of been more of a gap, indeed in the final they put us with the Division I.A guys as apparently we were closer to there times, but I think the same issue arose. I certainly suffered from some of the revivals/I.A coming together in our final to make me take some avoiding action.

I can also tell you that I was in a hire car so certainly wasn't interested in punting off or damaging anyone giving the cost to me, and the other lads were in their imaculate new rally cars were only interested in having a good time rather than punting people off!

Hopefully next event we can have a few more BMW entries as having driven front wheel drive cars previously, getting a BMW sideways pretty much all of the time was most fun I had racing

[B Friendly]

Hi everyone, I just thought i'd write a little report of my first ever day of rallycross!
I was driving minicross car 457 (MDA / Revivals hire car) after spending a lot of weekends marshalling at various rallycross events over the past couple of years. After a little bit of undue stress in the morning (Which nearly saw me not competing at all, HUGE thanks to those who helped out!) i finally got out on track for the practice session. This didn't go all that well as i managed to get a bit out of shape going into the long right hander that leads into the hair-pin (All i'll say is ouch as the car met truck tyres, side on!) on the second lap, after i got back on track the other cars had passed me and my practice was over after 2 laps!
Heat 1 saw me go out for one lap then come back in as i wasn't happy with the handling at all, this turned out to be a tiny bit of damage to the steering which happened in the 'incident' with the truck tyres in practice.
Heat 2 was good, i felt a bit more confident in the car but a bit apprehensive on the loose! I finally completed my three laps though and was over the moon!
Heat 3 felt a bit better than heat 2 but was actually about 3 seconds slower.
I nearly didn't make it for my suprising B-final but glad i did as i knocked about 10 seconds off my time! I was so pleased!
I have been told by my wife / team manager that the commentators weren't being too sympathetic with me, obviously they didn't know it was my first time!

I think the main struggle(s) for the day was the fact i had to squeeze into the mini to start off with (6 foot 3" and about 17.5 stone with limited leg room), getting used to the loose (A lot more difficult than it looks, like driving on ice). It was the first time i have driven a mini too, which is an experience! All in all, i don't think i done too bad at all at my first ever go at rallycross with no other motorsport experience
If anyone has any photos of me on track (I was going slow enough for some good pic's to be taken!) then let me know please!

[SRH]

Cracking day at Croft - if a bit cold, windy and particularly dusty. Pretty much non stop action throughout the day. A couple of pictures from the day: -

Mike Turpins amazing VX220


Derrick Jobb on his way to Division 1 victory


A very nicely presented junior Mini.


Full gallery of pictures from the day on my website for those that want a look: -

http://www.srh-motorsport-photograph...ross/RX220309/

Cheers,

Simon.

[flying flynn]

Just a quick one for HelgatheMK2, I appreciate your concerns, for Conor the 16 yr old.
However He is a very capable driver, having competed in 2 seasons already, plus he already competes in Latvia in Rallies.
He has quite a lot of experience, plus his parents are prepared to invest in his training , rather than throw money at a car to make it faster.
I think you will find Andrew Jordans father , did similar with him, therefore he was not worried about putting a 16yr old in a Supercar.
I was more disappointed in drivers who had to brake for Tower bend [while on Rallycross cut slicks in the dry] that then allowed drivers like Conor and Jonny Bean to go round them on very secondhand nearly bald, ex rally tyres.

On a positive note, I think the series will be very good for TV, with a few more cars out at Blyton, hopefully the spectators will enjoy it!!
Must say, knowing the horsepower and specs of many of the revival cars, we didnt expect to be near them.
However the 205/BMW Challenge does offer 3-4 test days per year with instruction from, Martin Rowe, Ryan Champion, Gwyndaf, Justin Dale etc, Plus the Trips to Sweden to drive on an Ice lake for single day Rallyschool money may have something to do with it.

As i say , Invest in training the drivers, not bigger carbs, or better cams etc

Cheers Pat

[toonlad1978]

As previously stated, I also noticed on a couple of occasions where the BMW's were a little forceful in going through the pack! nudging the red escort out of the way on Hawthorn and also using couple of other cars as breaking points towards tower bend on the loose! (Rallycross cuts in the dry?? on the loose was like driving on ice!!!) this did beggar the question as why were they ran with revivals!

[flying flynn]

Yep the red Escort was apologized too, however he did slow down, where there is no need to slow down, so caught Conor out, all shook hands and all was good.
However I did notice a red Corsa, battering and blocking a lot, its all on video, when Conor went round the outside at the hairpin, the Corsa then pushed him out onto the grass. Mind you he didnt have a BMW badge so if its a Vauxhall its ok.
The BMWs would have been happier on their own, but I think time constraints left them having to go in with others.
I am just surprised at how slow some of the Revivakls drivers were on the Tar sections.
Last time in July I won very easily [13 seconds] but it was raining heavily and my rally tyres [Gary Dixon also used them] plus my style suited the conditions.
This time I thought that the BMWs would get thrashed, but the time spent learning to drive them [on test days and in Sweden] is obviously a cheaper and better option than bolting go faster bits on and so on.
As said, we can all make mistakes, but I have quite a few red marks to be polished out from cars and a few Griffin indentations, where Con got pushed about.
Still no one got hurt, noone caught fire, and everyone had a laugh.
Thats what Rallycross is about, its a great sport to watch & do.

By the way, the next 205/RWD test /tuition day is on April 10th, with tuition from ex-WRC drivers.
Pm me if you want a space, its silly cheap and you might get more seconds saved, without buying more Demon Tweeks bits

Pat

[dangermouse606]

well from what i saw on the track and what i have read its probably six of one and half a dozen of the other,as pat says that is what rallycross is all about.
On the other hand some of the revivals cars that were in the mix with the bmw's especially the two red corsa's are running bog standard scrap yard engines, one a 1.6 one is a 2 litre, so by rights the bmw's should leave them in there dust, so as the bmw's started at the back of the grid they had to work there way through the pack thats where things started to get a bit frisky, maybe the organisers need to take a look at the tv footage and leave a bigger gap at the back or even set the bmw's off on there own, which i for one would have thought they would have seeing as they were not racing for times, only position.
all in all it was a fantastic days racing and as usual the revivals races were fantastic, i love seeing these slightly older cars getting in the mix of it.

[HelgatheMk2]

My mistake i thought the BMWs were all junior drivers i thought it was the gap filler from minicross to rallycross. I agree if you can pedal a car it doesnt matter what car you are in you will go well. I think it was the first time the red escort full rally car had been to croft, also from what i heard he was on worn ebay special tyres that cost him 13quid for 4 lol. No major damage and a good days racing!

I may be intrested in an arrive and drive in one of the BMWs

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3582/...aebe3865_o.jpg

By the looks in this pic the escort doesnt look like he is lifting off with one wheel up in the air just before he got a knock from behind.

[M.Lowe]

When the Red Escort slowed and Conor nudged him the driver still had the loud pedal flat to the tin and spun round tyre smoke n all.

If you are in the race you want to do best and if someone was braking early you either go around or through if they are taking their time.

I remember when I serviced for Ken Hall and he was having a race with the man McCann in his world rally car subaru and ken was taking his door paint off him in his lower powered Escort Cosworth Rallycar

It shows that you don't need all singing dancing machines (yes it does help) but seeing conor compete he has the makings of doing well in his career.

I seen Andy Davison there on the day at his Bob Marley and the Wailers car but didnt know someone else was driving it as Andy would of beat the rest of the rasta drivers if he was in his car that day

[flying flynn]

There will be a hire car BMW soon, although Andy davison was renting his out to Andy P.
If Andy P has his own car ready i reckon Davo would hire it out again.
Mark Lowe, agreed Andy davison is one of the best drivers I have ever seen, as ususal not enough money, but if he were in BRC, he would be nearest of all the lads to Mark Higgins.

The Blyton event in may sees another 3 BMWs.
Plus Andy Davison wants to do the next Croft Rallycross in his BMW.
If I can sell the Golf GTi rally car, I also have another BMW lined up for me, which I would hope to join in the odd race, when not hiring!!

Pat

[M.Lowe]

Someone I was talking to where saying that trying to get a BM was getting hard, I said cos Pat's bought them all up

[Kevin McCann]

Originally Posted by M.Lowe

When the Red Escort slowed and Conor nudged him the driver still had the loud pedal flat to the tin and spun round tyre smoke n all.

If you are in the race you want to do best and if someone was braking early you either go around or through if they are taking their time.

I remember when I serviced for Ken Hall and he was having a race with the man McCann in his world rally car subaru and ken was taking his door paint off him in his lower powered Escort Cosworth Rallycar

It shows that you don't need all singing dancing machines (yes it does help) but seeing conor compete he has the makings of doing well in his career.

I seen Andy Davison there on the day at his Bob Marley and the Wailers car but didnt know someone else was driving it as Andy would of beat the rest of the rasta drivers if he was in his car that day

Perhaps M. Lowe can enlighten me ? How does a self built, self funded 350 bhp impreza turn into an all singing and dancing machine?. Although i now have about 490bhp it still is not as you have claimed, its actually based on parts sourced from old legacys and self constructed copies of various ideas and contributions from different manufacturers. So please no more assumptions just facts!! THANK YOU.

[CS1]

Originally Posted by Kevin McCann

Perhaps M. Lowe can enlighten me ? How does a self built, self funded 350 bhp impreza turn into an all singing and dancing machine?. Although i now have about 490bhp it still is not as you have claimed, its actually based on parts sourced from old legacys and self constructed copies of various ideas and contributions from different manufacturers. So please no more assumptions just facts!! THANK YOU.

Well said Kevin there are far too many people on here who just assume and dont think prior to typing their assumption.

Shame Ken Hall wasnt at Blyton last year as you would probably have lapped him!!

[bea5ty]

Had a good day dispite the wind, heres some pics.

[M.Lowe]

No need to go all Terry McCann on me Kevin
I am not having a go at you at all, infact I applaud you for making and racing the car

My point was something like a Scooby with that power was having a race with a homebuilt mk5 Escort with a sierra floorpan and cosworth bits maybe with more weight than yours and less power than yours was keeping up with you which was good to compare the difference in spec of both cars and drivers

As for you CS1 read my first comment and this and you will see I am not assuming anything I was mearly giving a view on the race that day and how people like Conor Flynn can race his car and beat others who have a higher spec car power / weight etc.

As for your comment
"Shame Ken Hall wasnt at Blyton last year as you would probably have lapped him!! "

Whos assuming now?

Kevin read again its not a go at you, chill man

[paddymax]

has anyone seen the motoring news, was that a load of c--p or wot,

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by paddymax

has anyone seen the motoring news, was that a load of c--p or wot,

I haven't seen it - what specifically was the problem? Not a true reflection of the event? Factually incorrect?