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Old 3 May 2012, 09:03 (Ref:3068652)   #2626
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It doesn't have to be special to be different. The other LMP's are using raised fender edges and placing the holes closer to the edge. Toyota seems to have gone a different route, unless they change it, again. This picture-

I am talking about the holes attached to the nose cone- you think they're for brake cooling?
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Old 3 May 2012, 09:27 (Ref:3068658)   #2627
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The supercapacitors package has changed completely.


No more shiny aluminium:
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Old 3 May 2012, 09:32 (Ref:3068661)   #2628
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is it wrong to think that this thing is attractive? i reckon it looks more sinister and better looking than the Audi or the crashed version of the TS030
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Old 3 May 2012, 09:42 (Ref:3068666)   #2629
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Well Full LED front lights, as we all anticipated! .

Does anyone knows if Supercapacitors generate heat when charged/decharged?
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Well Full LED front lights, as we all anticipated! .

Does anyone knows if Supercapacitors generate heat when charged/decharged?
Short answer yes...

Any capacitor has ESR. or internal equivalent series resistance. and resistance acts as a heater. Power of heater =Resistance x Current^2, and the currents are huge in these things. Also there is probably heat being generated by the internal chemical/physical characteristics of the dialectic material....They also vibrate which generates heat as well). But how much heat is generated compared to the flywheel system is probably an order of magnitude less.
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Well Full LED front lights, as we all anticipated! .

Does anyone knows if Supercapacitors generate heat when charged/decharged?
when electricity runs in a semiconductor (and a supercapacitors has a lot) because of joule effect, heat is generated.
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i reckon it looks more sinister and better looking than the Audi
well, great. it looks better than the worst looking lmp of the past several years.
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Short answer yes...

Any capacitor has ESR. or internal equivalent series resistance. and resistance acts as a heater. Power of heater =Resistance x Current^2, and the currents are huge in these things. Also there is probably heat being generated by the internal chemical/physical characteristics of the dialectic material....They also vibrate which generates heat as well). But how much heat is generated compared to the flywheel system is probably an order of magnitude less.
The reason i ask is that Toyota need a very effective cooling system in the cockpit to battle that heat which the super capacitor create.
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The reason i ask is that Toyota need a very effective cooling system in the cockpit to battle that heat which the super capacitor create.
the heat surely will be dissipated in someway, is unprobable to think that will effect so heavily the internal temp of cockpit (that however is air-conditioned)... the true problems of heating in the supercapacitors are others
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The supercapacitor pack is water or oil cooled.
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So if I heard that right on RLM Graham Goodwin said TMG's chairman said that the worldwide carbon fibre shortage has hampered them in getting the chassis built.

And he has confirmed that they will be running at all WEC rounds post Le Mans.
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So if I heard that right on RLM Graham Goodwin said TMG's chairman said that the worldwide carbon fibre shortage has hampered them in getting the chassis built.

And he has confirmed that they will be running at all WEC rounds post Le Mans.
strangly any f1 team or chassis manufacter didn't report this... is so hard admit that because of some problem the car wasn't still reliable to debut at spa? About the remaining races, well ACO did the 6 best result rule to please toyota requests, would be really disappointing by them to don't accomplish to this.
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strangly any f1 team or chassis manufacter didn't report this... is so hard admit that because of some problem the car wasn't still reliable to debut at spa? About the remaining races, well ACO did the 6 best result rule to please toyota requests, would be really disappointing by them to don't accomplish to this.
Most of the CF demand is planned. A sudden order for such a huge amount as Toyota need to build a new Tub, could be hard to find.
(i'm not buying the story whole, but might be true)
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So if I heard that right on RLM Graham Goodwin said TMG's chairman said that the worldwide carbon fibre shortage has hampered them in getting the chassis built.

And he has confirmed that they will be running at all WEC rounds post Le Mans.
The TMG president also said that they want to race in front of Audi until the car breaks down.

Graham said the second car will probably do its shakedown at the Le Mans test day. He suspected that they might run 2 cars in all post Le Mans races
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Graham said the second car will probably do its shakedown at the Le Mans test day. He suspected that they might run 2 cars in all post Le Mans races
Did he specifically say run 2 cars? He might have done I just can't bring that back to mind...
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Most of the CF demand is planned. A sudden order for such a huge amount as Toyota need to build a new Tub, could be hard to find
Think this was the issue. They reportedly had enough for 1.5 chassis when the programme was first green-lit. Obviously then things had to be accelerated.
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Did he specifically say run 2 cars? He might have done I just can't bring that back to mind...
I believe that is what Graham predicted. However, this is not an official comment from the TMG president. Maybe some wishful thinking

I guess that Graham will write down the interview in an article.
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The front fenders remind me of AMR-One
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I just remember another thing Graham said. The hybrid system of the TS030 is 4 times more efficient (energy vs weight) than the system of the hybrid Supra.
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It doesn't have to be special to be different. The other LMP's are using raised fender edges and placing the holes closer to the edge. Toyota seems to have gone a different route, unless they change it, again. This picture-

I am talking about the holes attached to the nose cone- you think they're for brake cooling?
I've had a confirmation the holes are indeed for the front brakes.
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A bit strange that they did not carry over the F1 style brake ducts, like Audi is using.

What is your take on the small flaps? Are they legal? I guess they have checked with the ACO.
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Honestly, i think that a bloody good looking car!! i liked the old one but i LOVE this!

Im quite annoyed they arent racing clearly the car IS ready to be used they could at least just go around in the practices and then try for qualifying :/
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The TMG president also said that they want to race in front of Audi until the car breaks down.
You have to like the confidence that they expect to get in front of the Audis to begin with.

Would be nice for sure, even if it's just for a few hours...
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