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I still believe WEC is a good idea as an alternative to F1, but if everything falls down in the end I would be ok with a three or four round invitational/cup style events. If racing is failing to work as a marketing tool then it could be time to pull back and have an emphasis on the sporting side of things. Last edited by I Rosputnik; 21 Jul 2012 at 14:08. |
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Yeah, the way they've canceled almost every remaining motorsport event of the 2012 calendar clearly shows this, as does their glorious history with street circuit events
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As far as the cars go i'd only tweak the rules for GTE with regard to getting rid of the limit on engine displacement, if it's in the road car and has been produced in high enough numbers (high enough to avoid any homologation specials) then they can have in the race car - maybe they could have a sliding scale similar to what IMSA used for GTPs to determine the air restrictor/fuel flow limit
The main change I would make would be with the calendar, it would look something like this: 1) Philip Island 6 Hours (Feb) - with AsLMS 2) Sebring 12 Hours (Mar) - with ALMS 3) Monza 6 Hours (Apr) - with ELMS 4) Spa 6 Hours (May) - with ELMS 5) Le Mans (Jun) 6) Nurburgring 6 Hours (Jul) - with ELMS 7) Silverstone 6 Hours (Aug) - with ELMS 8) Interlagos 1000 miles/10 Hours (Sep) 9) India 6 Hours (Oct) - with AsLMS 10) Fuji 6 Hours (Nov) - with AsLMS I would like to have included PLM but it wouldn't have been practical with the limit on the number of cars they can cram in there. The three Asia-Pacific races will also constitute the Asian Le Mans series and the ELMS will be the four European races. |
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I think they should work more on the continental series - ALMS, ELMS and AsLMS. The world championship should be only a few selected rounds within the already existing series.
Ex; Sebring 12hrs Le Mans 24hrs Spa 6hrs Suzuka 8hrs Road Atlanta/PLM 10hrs The title should go to the car/driver(s) who accumulated the most points from these rounds - with no obligation to participate in all of these rounds - will be crowned world champions. |
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I think the WEC can be a success, so long as it sticks to its strengths and doesn't go after 'new markets' too quickly, if at all. As a few people have said there is no point having endurance races in places with no fans, so we can scratch Bahrain off straight away, no matter the $'s on offer. Endurance racing isn't a TV sport either, not live anyway, the races are just too long. A couple of hours live and a highlights package on Eurosport is fine by me. Sportscar racing to me is always going to be an ethusiasts game, not something someone chewing on their Sunday lunch just happens to flick on. The cars are spectacular live though. So I would concentrate on advertising the actual races, with cheap tickets and high access to actual fans. Something that a dad maybe take his son to for a day out. I'd try as much as possible to make each race an event to get bums on seats. I went to Silverstone last year, but only because I actively sought it out. You'd never now it was actually going on, which can't be good. I think that Sportscars are at their best at hight speed, so I would try as much as possible to avoid the modern Tilkadromes with all their switch back hairpins to contrive overtaking in F1, they aren't needed.
Sportscar racing historically, and arguably even more so recently, is a European and North American thing, so don't shoot yourselves in the foot by avoiding these places. My calendar would be, with an emphasis on the history of the old WSC: Sebring Monza Spa Le Mans Nurburgring Silverstone Petit Le Mans (Watkins Glen) Suzuka/Fuji Zuhai/Shanghai Interlagos/Buenos Aires Sebring is a fantastic race. Monza with all its history and high speeds can't be ignored, likewise Spa. Le Mans speaks for itself, Germany has to have a race and although the new Nurburgring is a bit of a dogs dinner Hockenheim is even worse and all its other circuits a bit fiddly. The dream would be to use the Nordschleife, but it aint gonna happen. I think you have to have a race in UK, but may be biased. I think Petit Le Mans has to stay too/come back, but maybe not at Atlanta as the course is too small. I'd prefer Watkins Glen as an alternative because it is a fantastic flowing circuit, but is owned by the France (French?) family who run NASCAR and the Rolex Series so that may not be possible. Races in Asia are a necessity, and to be fair the Japanese love their racing. I'm not fussed which circuits they choose, but I have to admit the thought of LMP1's zipping through 130R and the S's is a nice one. I'd have a race in South America, preferably Beunos Aires full circuit, as even back in the 50's they had them there. I'd also pointto the example of the World Rally Championship as a case study in the dangers of giving manufacturers too much say, ignoring your core fans in favour of TV sponsorship money, and having events in places with no fans. Before you know whats happened you'll end up with races with a small grid of expensive manufacturer cars, in events with no pulling power watched by tiny crowds. Only to find everyone is still just watching Football and F1 on their TV's. Oh, and you need stability. Changing the rules and the calendar evey year never lets anyone build anything. Oh, and PPS, you need to integrate the regional series, ALMS, ELMS, AsiaLMS in with it to bulk out the grids and give the privateers something to aim at. |
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Just as warning to those who are saying they think the WEC should be LMP1 only. Say you have 4 works teams - Porsche, Audi, Toyota, Honda for arguments sake - each with 3 cars,and you have 8 or so privateers. That leaves you with a grid of 20 cars or so, which you could just about get away with. Then, the manufacturers who are always filling the places 7th - 12th start to think 'why are we parading around the world with expensive cars to achieve nothing?', and pull out, a la Toyota, Honda and BMW in F1. Then you are left with a grid of 10 or so cars, you have an embarassing race, contracts are cancelled and the series is stopped.
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Except, without a championship (whether ELMS, ALMS, or WEC), would those other races even be held at all? I'm pretty sure many of them would simply cease to exist without that strand tying them together.
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I bet no-one but maybe 100 people in Finland know what Indy 500 is. Multiply that number by 1,000 for Le Mans (if I'm being optimistic). x50,000 for Monaco GP
Obviously these numbers vary from country to country but it's arguably not even the biggest / most watched motorsport event in US |
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Shouldn't the question be, how to improve the present and future of LM style racing, under the ACO rules umbrella?
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