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As for this quali, Audi had only one car on HD spec. Still, they were on Toyota's pace. With the #7 drivers, I bet the HD would be clearly faster than both Toyotas. I'm betting #9 will still be faster on the race than both Toyotas. Let's wait and see |
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Also an interesting, if extremely hypothetical scenario, if Lapierre did race for Toyota at LM and then that car wins it would make a fantastic redemption story. But I highly doubt that he will and the replacement would most likely be a Japanese driver for marketing reasons but only if Toyota know someone as fast as Lapierre would be |
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On Bahrain, Porsche qualified on the ‘soft high temperature’ and used that for the whole race. Audi #1 and the Toyotas started on the "Medium". DiGrassi, started on the "Softs high temperature", on the other Audi. After the first stint, Audi saw that the Softs were consistent and, then, used them in both cars for the remainder of the race. Only Toyota kept on the Mediums Only team to double stint there was Rebellion. At Interlagos, only Audi double stinted. At China, Toyota used the "high temperature medium" for the whole race while Audi and Porsche used the "high temperature soft". Nobody double stinted and that shows how Toyota was the least consistent on tyres once more At Fuji, again nobody double stinted. Toyota and Rebellion used the "low temperature soft" for the whole race while Audi and Porsche used the "high temperature soft". Here, you could say Toyota was marginally more consistent with the tires as a low temperature label suggests a more agressive one. Finally, at CotA, Audi and Toyota started with the "Mediums" while Porsche with the "Softs". Audi was the only one to double stint there. So, all in all, Audi was much more consistent with the tires in 2014. If Toyota's hopes relies on only them double stinting tomorrow, I think they face a big surprise when everybody does it. And I mean all the 8 manufacturer LMP1s |
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Hmm. So assuming no one has any real chances against the Porsches on the Kemmel straight in Lap 1....I really hope the porsche's slow down in the race.
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I hope Toyota are sandbagging hilariously.
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2 May 2015, 00:45 (Ref:3532776) | #2509 | |
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From the onboard cameras, only toyota did lift-and coast, which I think mainly caused such laptime gap.
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Articus, I think Toyotas high d/f package just doesnt work as good here as Audi and Porsche. But the race is different. In fp3, Toyotas pace was comparable to the others. So we'll see how it goes with that and tire wear. |
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2 May 2015, 17:01 (Ref:3533125) | #2512 | ||
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I think Toyota are F***ed. Sorry to be blunt, but the management has to be questioned about priorities here and i cant believe that TMC dint get a grip after how things went downhill in 2013 and think it's absolutely OK to carry on with the bare minimum towards TMG to develop the car in 2015. They are about to get a wake up call and as much of a fan I am of Toyota, im seriously questioning where their heads are at given this dismal performance from the team. If i was Akio Toyoda, i would get firing at the bean counters at TMC to make this the top priority for Toyota
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2 May 2015, 17:34 (Ref:3533141) | #2513 | ||
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Complaining about budgets are useless. Akio cant change the board's minds. But next year things should be different. Even so, Toyota arent going to spend $200 million a year like Audi. I think the pace of the LM car better be spectacular, or they're in for a long year. |
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At this rate I can't see any wins for the TS040 this year. They'd better put a lot of effort into next year's car and the new 8MJ powertrain, otherwise I can't see the 3-year commitment being honored.
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Three laps off the lead. Three laps.
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2 May 2015, 18:59 (Ref:3533239) | #2516 | |
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Appalling performance. The "high downforce" toyota was more than a second per lap slower in S2 than the "low downforce" Audi. Even more impressive than that is considering what a big advantage they had last year how could they have made such a tiny progress compared to the other two cars.
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they made quite a big progress too, but they were the fastest last year, i think they, just like most of us, didn't see such incredible improvements from audi and porsche coming. they were faster than the fastest peugeot 908s already, so you definitely can't call that slow.
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2 May 2015, 19:38 (Ref:3533265) | #2519 | |
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Yes in 2015 they are very slow. I don't see how you could look at a dry race, that is green for the whole duration, and try to find excuses for being more than 3 laps back.
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Another terrible performance by Toyota. I expect Le Mans to be a disaster. Not surprised by this unfortunately. Audi and Porsche really have made SIGNIFICANT gains. It doesn't matter if this year's TS040 is faster than last year's; what matters is the gains made relative to Audi and Porsche, and the relative gains haven't been good enough.
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I've studied the company intensively, just out of genuine interest of how the operate versus other automakers. Years ago, before Akio Toyoda was even CEO, the eldest most senior living Toyoda family member shook up the Toyota board, and gave Akio Toyoda more power in the company. That was shortly before he became CEO. If you seriously don't think that the ruling Toyoda family can't change the board, you're wrong. I place the accountability here right now primarily on Akio Toyoda. In Japanese culture, continued failure is DEEPLY dishonorable. So years ago, when the board was shaken up by the elder Toyoda family member, those ousted board members were deeply dishonored and humiliated for their incompetence. This was for incompetence that occurred during the early to mid 2000s. So with this continued failure for TMG (not being able to be consistent winners, not being able to win Le Mans), Akio Toyoda has a duty to do whatever it takes to solve the problems. If he doesn't, he will look deeply dishonorable to the rest of the ruling Toyoda family. |
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From their Post-race Spa press release, its seems they've been caught completely off-guard by the VAG brothers pace.
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Strewth the swingometer in here is ridiculous, two difficult races after a brilliant previous season and people are ready to throw them under the bus!?
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But was the Toyota really that bad today? They could fight with the #9 Audi which was the "high downforce" Audi and in fact had quicker best lap time than the #9. Assuming the Toyota's make the same leap with their low drag package that Audi does, Toyota will be right there or even a slight step ahead on the straights.
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That may be true if the #1 didn't have the throttle problem. The #2 finished about 30 seconds behind the #9 and the #1 could never get by the #2 in spite of the #1 being quite a bit faster until the problem.
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I'm a bit skeptical about the speculation(btw, I know it's not coming from you, TF110 ) that Audi spends 200 million Euros or Dollars a year. That is almost like big F1 team's budget. Quote:
When F1 didn't have DRS, everybody ran Spa with almost Monza spec. Toyota's HD is closer to that while Audi's is pretty much an F1 Monaco spec car(highest downforce/drag) Toyota surely won't be this bad at Le Mans, but a win is very unlikely unless their LM also made huge gains as did Porsche's and Audi's 2015 cars |
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