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If GP2/F2 has been a false representation then how come most of the champions tend to be quite handy in F1? Rosberg, Hamilton, Glock, Hulkenberg, Maldonado, Grosjean - all bar Hulkenberg have podiums in F1, and he's rather handy. Even those who didn't win the series but were frontrunners have made impressions - Pérez, Bianchi, Kovalainen, Nasr and even Petrov and Kobayashi at a stretch. Giovinazzi looked quite good too in the Sauber, given his inexperience. Vandoorne is currently swimming, even against Alonso, and what's to say Gasly won't do a better job than Kvyat? As far as I can see, you're taking your argument way too far in this respect. Yes, tyres are a dynamic that obstructs raw pace, but false representation? Not at all... |
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In F3 or 3.5, surely there is too much emphasis on qualifying and being able to lead into turn 1? Is that not giving a false representation? I get that you value raw pace in a driver, but it alone is not enough. It's led to underdeveloped drivers - i.e. Rowland's struggles now, Magnussen's inability to manage tyres and generally poor racecraft in his year at McLaren. If F2 wasn't a reliable barometer of talent, why would F1 teams have their junior drivers in it? And why do you bother watching F2 if you have such a bee in your bonnet about it? |
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Rowland does have raw pace and we know he has some sensitivity to what the car underneath him is doing because he is often one of the best guys on cold tyres, a huge skill and example of confidence in itself which not many drivers have. Latifi who I failed to mention I think is pretty good and getting better doesn't seem to have that skill. Bianchi is an excellent example of a top talent who was unable to get the job done in this series. We all knew he was good enough and his talent wasn't enough to get the job done. But we don't think any less of him. He did not have the right equipment or magic ingredient to get the tyres to last, it was nothing to do with his abilities as a driver, just as I believe is the same problem for Rowland. Plus I do not see any drivers who took 3 or 4 years to win it as F1 quality talent. Maldonado I once thought was a firebrand but he proved he could not learn from his mistakes and that cost him his career. Being unbelievable on his day wasn't enough. Palmer? Valsecchi, Pantano? I understand why people will take what they see happening and results as 'fact' but it does not tell the full story, far from it. |
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Interestingly Leclercs car has smoke again in Hungaroring qualifying the same lap he goes half a second faster than anyone....
Admittedly it looked like the extinguisher had gone off in the cockpit but it will be interesting to see what happens. |
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Very interesting.... 😉
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U-turning a bit on Latifi now are we?! Bianchi didn't struggle with tyres. He did a year on Bridgestones and a year on Pirellis that weren't that extreme. What I don't understand is you've decided this series isn't based on 'fact', yet it seems that it's based on you not really liking the results and blaming it on the tyres. What's to say that the other series' aren't exactly a true picture of ability? It would stand to reason that F2 shows more of a driver's skill as the driving standard is higher and there are more variables to manage than in junior series'. |
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Bianchi in his GP2 years had a problem managing pressure imho, he did mistakes that were unexpected for a man of his talent
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It certainly is nice to know how much more insightful your opinions are than mine though. I always thought that driver performance was the best barometer of talent, but now I must agree that there is something only a man of your superior talent-gauging abilities can see that mere plebeians such as I cannot comprehend, and thus your own perceptions and insights into the real goings on far outweigh the goings on themselves. |
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I know that!! It's all good banter, and I love it that there is at least one more person as interested in the series pro's and con than me from these shores!
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