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Now it remains to be seen if Toyota will keep their advantage throughout. Still a long way to go
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Officially slowed 1.4sec/lap for the #7 and 1.0sec/lap for the #8 per the success handicap
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According to latest Autosport magazine AD,
SANEI publishing will release "All of TS050 HYBRID" magazine on Oct.4. It seems that the hybrid system components of TS050 from the engine to the motor will be revealed. http://www.as-books.jp/preview/7213/77/ |
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Up to this point I think secrecy's been wise - I mean why would you tell more to the competitors than needed - but I don't think there will be need for any of such when it becomes a bop class. The hybrid on the Hypercar will be for public relations reasons more than anything as there won't be any advantage to it
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If the Hybrid system is deployed on the front wheels, giving the car periodical four wheel drive, it can out accelerate its competitors and slower GT's. Even though two LMPs run the same lap times (essentially BOP'ed), the Hybrid would in the race still have an upper hand as it would be able to get through traffic quicker. So an advantage is still there, but hardly worth much development into further efficiency. |
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As far as I know hybrid boost is limited at speeds over 120 kph in the hypercar regs. This is already something that negates a little of the benefit in traffic.
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Right, and in the wet. We've seen this before somewhat in 2012 and 2013 with the TS030 RWD kers vs Audi FWD above 120kmh. Maybe a little different because they both were hybrids compared to next season.
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21 Sep 2019, 23:31 (Ref:3929300) | #6638 | |
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We no longer see any Hybrid advantage especially with BOP, weight and complexity. Our TTV6 will easily make maximum allowed HP.
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Right, as I've said hybrid will become entirely about PR. As will all other tech factors, nothing else. Even the ex-P1 VAG teams in Formula E with their cheap spec cars can boast more about their technology having bigger impact in race outcomes. The most WEC teams can say is the usual line in BoP line of work, which is "we have real variety in our class and manufacturers have come up with different answers to the same question" etc
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Depending on how much the hybrid is limited there's still advantages to it. The total power is down but how much storage is allowed and how much or how often can they deploy? That's the only thing that I haven't seen mentioned. Right now Toyota has 8mj per lap at Le Mans, what is the new total?
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Based on the power output limits and such that I've read, I'm probably guessing roughly 3.5MJ like in 2013.
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Well that's how much it should be, we'll see when it next gets to race
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It should be unlimited imo with a cap on the power total released at a time. So if the rules say 750hp, limit the hybrid output to 150hp with 600hp from the ice engine. I feel the hybrid should be allowed to release said 150hp as much as possible from their 120kmh and upwards. There should be no 3.5mj per lap limit, not even 8mj per lap limit. Why? If it proves too much, drop the output to 100hp or better yet, up the power of non-hybrids. These artificial limits look weird on paper and not even well-understood.
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One thing Toyota could do is make a production version of GR Super Sport that will be faster around the race track than a race version. Now that would be a true demonstration of Technology and mockery of ACO rules
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That'd be difficult because the road car versions have almost always superior power and speed levels to the racing counterparts, but not the aerodynamics and downforce which will kill them off in corners in comparison. Maybe chicane-less Monza work but...
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I would imagine that rubber would also be a limiting factor.
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I think the weight would be the biggest limiting factor, you can not sell a striped down car, it still has to have a basic equipment and some basic sound insulation.
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The race cars are going to be ridiculously heavy, it's not as big of a difference as you'd think.
Road hypercars are generally in the region of as fast as GT3s around a track, obviously depending on the layout quite a bit. I think it's very much possible for a road legal car to be faster than a GTE at Le Mans but it would still be quite a large gap to bridge to 3:25-3:30 showroom stock. |
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I guess it depends on how far they take the GR SuperSport or whatever they'll call it. If they really use a TS050 chassis and powertrain, it's already 90% of the way an lmp1 on the street. I think a prototype hypercar will be 3:25's pretty easily next season. The aero is free, only a soft cap from what we know. Power is going to be higher than non-hybrid lmp1's from this year. The weight is the biggest issue. But Super GT had GT500 cars at 1100kg before they moved to the DTM rules and they were easily faster than lmp2's from the same time period. Those cars only made around 600hp, so I think it shouldn't be a problem to reach those times with a properly designed race car. Road cars, who knows?
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