|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
11 Mar 2020, 09:28 (Ref:3962987) | #226 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,018
|
Quote:
Surely manufacturers would be after some modern road-relevant technology -- direct injection, hybrid systems and so on? Would something akin to say this Mazda AER engine be a better fit? Crucially, it would be a chance to forget the regressive Group 3A pushrod V8 regulations and return to the iconic layout of 4 cylinders and turbocharger that the Nissan Bluebird and Ford Sierra made famous in the ATCC. Out with the blasé Mustang GT and in with the mighty Mustang Ecoboost! One might call such a category engine, a modernised Cossie. Isn't the Cossie wonderful? Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 11 Mar 2020 at 09:36. |
||
|
11 Mar 2020, 19:35 (Ref:3963126) | #227 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,338
|
Quote:
|
||
|
12 Mar 2020, 02:50 (Ref:3963243) | #228 | |
Racer
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 324
|
Quote:
|
|
|
21 Apr 2020, 21:46 (Ref:3972121) | #229 | |
Racer
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 332
|
HSV culls the Chevrolet Camaro. So there goes the logical Commodore successor.
|
|
|
22 Apr 2020, 02:43 (Ref:3972139) | #230 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,257
|
On the end the punter doesnt care what donk it has, as long as it sounds good, is fast and all (or most) teams are competitive.
We have had mistakes in the past formula torana 78 79 Formula sierra and formula GTR in the 80s when one car was so far in front it was go with them or go home. They must look sexy, sound scary, be fast enough, and "resemble" a known road car. |
||
|
22 Apr 2020, 04:13 (Ref:3972145) | #231 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 657
|
you have to wander if gm plan to supply car body shells of any brand and what would even come close to supercar paratte between brands
gm brand cars that could work buick 2020 REGAL SPORTBACK 2020 REGAL GS CADILLAC SEDANS chevrolet MALIBU IMPALA CAMARO even https://www.walkinshawperformance.com.au/ have no car after 2017 |
|
__________________
'We've paid the price': Stop calling us cheats all-conquering and highly controversial Ford Mustang |
22 Apr 2020, 04:32 (Ref:3972146) | #232 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 657
|
https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/cam...d-in-australia
which would see it continue to convert the Chevrolet Silverado pick-up, while also possibly adding the Corvette, large GM SUVs, and even models from other brands in the GM family to its portfolio. |
|
__________________
'We've paid the price': Stop calling us cheats all-conquering and highly controversial Ford Mustang |
22 Apr 2020, 06:17 (Ref:3972149) | #233 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 444
|
I know, I know it's all been said before...
...but I just looked at this article on Aaron Seton and doesn't the TA2 Mustang look the horn compared to the ugly thing v8 Supercars has running around. Not bad at half the price as well. |
||
__________________
The cat has my tongue and I'm not saying much cause I get shy around bulls*&% - Paul Dempsey |
22 Apr 2020, 06:38 (Ref:3972154) | #234 | ||
Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 49
|
Quote:
|
||
|
23 Apr 2020, 04:48 (Ref:3972315) | #235 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 3,220
|
I still say MARC II is the answer. Fast, relatively cheap, tough and look great.
|
||
__________________
The Jerk Store rang... |
24 Apr 2020, 08:19 (Ref:3972575) | #236 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,018
|
Quote:
|
||
|
25 Apr 2020, 02:32 (Ref:3972741) | #237 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 306
|
|||
|
25 Apr 2020, 07:37 (Ref:3972761) | #238 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,018
|
Quote:
How can BTCC attract over 10 manufacturers on the grid (including the supposedly essential Vauxhall and Ford brands), while Supercars can barely manage to attract two!? It's almost as if their rules allow anybody to build a car from any manufacturer, and have a reasonable chance of success, without it costing an arm and a leg to do so... Brands like Jaguar and BMW would be perfect -- they sell aspirational coupes with V8 engines and have heritage in ATCC racing, yet Supercars fail so totally in making the business and sporting case compelling. Perhaps Supercars should bring in the BMW M850i as the replacement model for the defunct Holden Commodore even if Supercars have to pay for the homologation themselves. The BMW 8 series is a very good match to Mustang in terms of body style, and it's a shame that Camaro won't be joining it on the grid!! I guess Supercars could still pay for the homologation of the discontinued Camaro too, but it depends how badly Supercars think they need to pander to supporters of a car brand that doesn't exist anymore. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 25 Apr 2020 at 08:01. |
||
|
25 Apr 2020, 07:54 (Ref:3972766) | #239 | |
Veteran
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 3,215
|
Supercars have hit the ultimate perfect storm...
No Racing No suitable cars to race in this market in the future Media rights problems No other manufacturers interested The sponsor market could be questionable when racing gets going again The BTCC races cars that are relevant to their market, do you think those same cars would attract crowds here? Our market is SUV/luxury sedans/4WD etc even the Japanese hot sedan market seems to have withered away, god knows what the kids are going to modify now. |
|
|
25 Apr 2020, 08:13 (Ref:3972768) | #240 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,018
|
BMW M850i, Mercedes E class coupe, Jaguar F Type and others beg to differ. There are a plenty of aspirational coupes that can join Mustang on the grid.
Supercars goal is to make the business case too good to resist, say by paying for all of the homologation and 80 percent of BMW's sponsorship cost to Walkinshaw Racing. Judd already do a racing V8 based on a BMW production engine: http://juddpower.com/our-engines/judd-hk-v8-lmp2/ So Supercars could order a set of 5.0L stroker versions. It should be quite similar to the Volvo Polestar Supercars engine, which was also a stroker of a existing production-based race engine, and should be competitive (more so than the Nissan with it's big bore and short stroke that's not optimal for the low rev limit mandated in Supercars). Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 25 Apr 2020 at 08:19. |
|
|
25 Apr 2020, 12:27 (Ref:3972803) | #241 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 3,215
|
Quote:
You are dreaming, each of those cars sell about 10 a year here. If you want to advance any reasonable ideas please be my guest because SC management does not seem to be doing so. I am not sure if it is bad management or the fact there are no good alternatives due to the way the Australian market has moved away from the passenger sedan market and you can't blame SC management for that as much as some would like to. I think they are between a rock and a hard place with not many options TTTT. I take the fact that they have refrained from making any public responses to all that has happened as proof of that. I wonder if that was the reason behind Warburton getting out, he seeing the future was very bleak and admitting it by leaving. |
||
|
26 Apr 2020, 04:24 (Ref:3972902) | #242 | |||
Racer
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 317
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
26 Apr 2020, 04:40 (Ref:3972904) | #243 | |||
Racer
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 317
|
Quote:
Whether they like it or not, the days of the big V8s are over. And what's a real problem for the Supercars management is the presence of the TA2 and MARC cars and the Touring Car Masters. If they go with TCR or GT4, which is honestly probably all they'll be able to get the series to afford, they will get quite comprehensively outshone by the roaring V8s of the support series. But any formula that allows for the big V8 engines is far, far beyond the ability of the series to be able to justify financially. A real pickle, and short of forcibly killing one of the above series, you'll end up with a real crisis of operation for SC management. |
|||
|
26 Apr 2020, 04:54 (Ref:3972907) | #244 | ||
Llama Assassin and Sheep Botherer
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 4,212
|
Supercars has morphed from the local car dealer chucking a roll cage in a car on the show room floor and turning up at the Mount,to a high priced sportscar series thats pretty much being owned by overseas interests.
The Bathurst 12hr race type cars may soon become the main game. |
||
|
26 Apr 2020, 05:07 (Ref:3972910) | #245 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 6,783
|
Quote:
You want $1m+ exoticars that are totally and completely owned by foreign interests. At the height of the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression? Riiiiiiiiiight. |
|||
|
26 Apr 2020, 05:23 (Ref:3972913) | #246 | |
Veteran
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 3,215
|
I struggle to think of any volume selling cars in the Australian market that could form the basis for any series that would have a large following. The days of the large family sedan are truly dead & buried and I think it has been proven that smaller capacity cars don't work here on a large scale. Maybe go back to the true sports sedan with loose rules as we had in the past. True innovation was then possible and they were awesome cars and great racing.
|
|
|
26 Apr 2020, 05:28 (Ref:3972915) | #247 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 6,783
|
Quote:
Hell Supercars have got expensive, but Sports sedans think they are F1 now and Improved Production think they are Sports Sedans. Collective management can make any category its own worst enemy. |
|||
|
26 Apr 2020, 06:17 (Ref:3972920) | #248 | |||
Llama Assassin and Sheep Botherer
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 4,212
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
26 Apr 2020, 06:19 (Ref:3972921) | #249 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 317
|
What about moving to GT4? That has the problem I mentioned earlier about whether the show is wild enough to get the fans, but the cars don't cost nearly as much as the Supercars do.
|
||
|
26 Apr 2020, 07:06 (Ref:3972927) | #250 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 6,783
|
GT4 cars seem to be slow and expensive by comparison to something like a MARC car. They are way too close to GT3 in cost, plus some of them are ridiculous like KTM.
|
||
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
LMDh (DPi regulations version 2.0) | NaBUru38 | North American Racing | 422 | 25 Jan 2023 09:34 |
New F1 Team - Panthers seeking to join grid for 2022 | karting | Formula One | 29 | 31 Aug 2019 21:57 |
[WEC] Audi to Return in 2022? | rdjones | ACO Regulated Series | 21 | 28 Sep 2018 20:23 |
Gen IV | B/Mark | IRL Indycar Series | 14 | 22 Jul 2003 04:33 |