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Austrian Grand Prix 2022: Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 11 of 22
The history
When we ponder the history of Grand Prix racing, Austria sometimes gets sidelined. It may not get as much attention as legendary names like Spa-Francorchamps and the Nurburgring. This belies the fact that its footprint has been huge, and many drivers and fans speak highly of the Österreichring. The race has always taken place near the town of Zeltweg and the city of Spielberg area in the Styria ('Steiermark' in German) region in the south-east of the country, with various iterations of the circuit. The maiden and non-championship event in 1963 was run at Zeltweg Airfield, on a 1.98-mile layout which consisted of two long straights, the fast-right Flatshacher-Curve, the 90-degree Hangar-Curves and the Inner Curve, which connected to the back straight. Jack Brabham took the spoils in a Brabham BT3-Climax by five laps, from Tony Settember in a Scirocco-BRM and the eccentric Dutch nobleman Carel Godin de Beaufort (he who sometimes drove without shoes) in his usual Porsche steed. Ascending to the world championship in 1964, and extended to 105 laps, Lorenzo Bandini took what was to be his only championship win in the Ferrari from Richie Ginther in the BRM and Bob Anderson in the Brabham. Jochen Rindt became the first Austrian to compete in Formula 1. It then became a race held for sports cars, before returning in 1970, the year of Rindt's posthumous world title, at the picturesque Österreichring track (which in its various guises has been the only host of the Grand Prix since), placed in the hills on a configuration used until 1976 and featuring many 3rd and 4th gear corners. In fact, the Austrian Lotus driver and championship leader qualified on pole, but retired with an engine failure. Jacky Ickx led home team-mate Clay Regazzoni, who achieved his first podium, as did Rolf Stommelen, who got what was to be his only one, in his Brabham. A year later, Jackie Stewart took the second of this three titles, after Ickx's engine failed, despite suffering an accident when his driveshaft broke. Nursing a puncture, Jo Siffert held on to win by just over 4 seconds in his BRM from Emerson Fittipaldi's Lotus and Tim Schenken's Brabham (his only F1 podium). It was another Austrian's turn to make his debut in his home nation, a certain Niki Lauda, making an outing in a March. In 1972, Fittipaldi did take the win in his Lotus, by a little over a second from the McLarens of Denny Hulme and Peter Revson. The next year, it was Lotus again, this time Ronnie Peterson the victor from Jackie Stewart in the Tyrrell, who scored what was to be his final podium, and Carlos Pace, who earned his first, in the Surtees. Niki Lauda had to miss the race after breaking his wrist at the Nurburgring. He was to miss the Austrian race, three years later following a much worse accident at the German track. The top results read Brabham-McLaren-Hesketh a year later, with Carlos Reutemann, Hulme and James Hunt comprising the podium. In 1975, the 'Monza Gorilla', Vittorio Brambilla, took his only F1 win, despite crashing into the barriers as he did so, after the race was stopped with 29 of the 54 laps run, due to heavy rain. After taking the chequered flag, various teams got ready for a restart, but the race was over. The Hesketh and Shadow of Hunt and Tom Pryce completed the podium. The event had seen the death of Mark Donohue and a marshal in practice. In 1976, Ferrari didn't turn up in protest at James Hunt's reinstatement as the winner of the Spanish Grand Prix, and with Niki Lauda injured following his horrendous accident a fortnight previously at the German Grand Prix. This was the last time to date that they haven't competed in an F1 race. Meanwhile, the ÖASC Racing Team was withdrawn by officials, refusing to grant the inexperienced Otto Stuppacher and Karl Oppitzhauser permission to take part in a Tyrrell 007 and March 761 respectively. Oppitzhauser never competed in Formula 1, but incidentally, Stuppacher tried to qualify twice later that year, the gulf between his time and that of the pole-sitter Hunt possibly the largest between competitors yet seen at a Grand Prix, at 27 seconds. The Austrian race featured Penske's only victory in Formula 1, as they stuck to Indycar after 1976, as well as John Watson's first. The Ligier and Lotus of Jacques Laffite and Gunnar Nilsson made up the podium. The year after, the fast Hella-Licht right-hander was converted into the Hella-Licht 'S'. Ferrari driver Niki Lauda qualified on pole. The race started wet, but it did not rain again and some drivers were on wets and some on slicks. Mario Andretti and James Hunt both led early on, but both the American's Lotus-Ford and the Englishman's McLaren-Ford suffered engine failures. Gunnar Nilsson moved from 16th on the grid to 2nd, before dropping back with tired wet rubber. He then ran third, before the Ford in his Lotus also expired. Alan Jones, who had started 14th and run 4th in the early stage, took his Shadow's sole and his own first Formula 1 victory. Lauda stretched his title lead in 2nd, while Hans Stuck took the Brabham-Alfa Romeo to 3rd. In 1978, it was, unsurprisingly, the Lotus drivers who started up front, Peterson ahead of Andretti. The Swede led away, followed by Carlos Reutemann. When Andretti attempted to re-take the place, they collided and he was out, while Reutemann spun off during a heavy rain shower on Lap 4. He received outside assistance, pushed out of a dangerous position by marshals, and was later black-flagged. After the race was stopped and the rain calmed, the re-start saw Peterson lead again from Patrick Depailler in the Tyrrell-Ford and Lauda in the Brabham Alfa-Romeo. They finished in that order, apart from 3rd place which Gilles Villeneuve took after Lauda crashed out. Jones won again the next year from Villeneuve and Jacques Laffite, while in 1980, Renault locked out the front row, René Arnoux from Jean-Pierre Jabouille. The latter took his second and final win in F1 from the Williams cars of Jones and Reutemann. It was an all-French one-two in 1981, as Laffite won in the Ligier-Matra from the Renault of René Arnoux. Nelson Piquet brought the Brabham back in 3rd. Elio de Angelis took his first F1 win a year later, by just 0.05 seconds from the Williams of Keke Rosberg, with Laffite making the podium again. 1983 witnessed the final win for the original incarnation of the Renault team, by Alain Prost, from Arnoux's Ferrari and Piquet's Brabham. In 1984, McLaren's Niki Lauda won by a healthy 23.525 seconds from the Brabham of Piquet and Michele Alboreto's Ferrari. As seemed to be customary in Austria, a home-grown driver made his debut there, Gerhard Berger bringing the ATS-BMW home in 12th. In 1985, Niki Lauda announced his retirement in Austria, but also, unfortunately, retired from the race with engine failure. His team-mate Alain Prost, meanwhile, won the Grand Prix and moved into a joint championship lead with Michele Alboreto, while Toleman's Ayrton Senna pulled the Lotus up to 2nd from 14th on the grid. Alboreto was 3rd. Andrea de Cesaris had barrel-rolled out of the race after his Ligier hit some banked grass when he spun out. In 1986, Benetton-BMW locked out the front row, with Berger getting ahead of pole-sitter Teo Fabi off the line. Fabi got him back on Lap 17, but his engine failed, and Berger later pitted from the lead with a battery problem. Alain Prost won by a lap, from the Ferraris of Michele Alboreto and Stefan Johansson. Alan Jones and Patrick Tambay were 4th and 5th for Haas in the Lola-Fords. There were a lot of accidents in 1987. Stefan Johansson had a big one in Friday practice when he hit a deer. The race itself had to be started three times. On the first attempt, Martin Brundle, Jonathan Palmer, Philippe Streiff and Piercarlo Ghinzani all crashed, while on the second go, Riccardo Patrese and Eddie Cheever collided, other cars funnelled together and about half the grid ended up crashing (including Brundle again). Nigel Mansell got past Williams team-mate Piquet while lapping traffic and won, while Fabi finished third for Benetton in what was the final visit for Formula 1 to Austria for ten years. When the sport came back to Zeltweg, the track had been re-named the A1-Ring, and it was a tighter version of its previous incarnation. Bridgestone-shod cars qualified well, notably Jarno Trulli in the Prost in 3rd, the Stewarts of Rubens Barrichello and Jan Magnussen in 5th and 6th and the Arrows of Damon Hill in 7th. After qualifying, Gerhard Berger announced his retirement from F1 racing. In the Grand Prix, Mika Hakkinen led away, but his Mercedes engine expired on Lap 1. Jarno Trulli took over first place, but his engine also blew while in 2nd. Eddie Irvine and Jean Alesi had a spectacular collision, while Michael Schumacher didn't have a good day, handed a stop-and-go penalty for overtaking Heinz-Harald Frentzen on his way to 6th. Frentzen's team-mate and eventual world champion Jacques Villeneuve took the spoils from David Coulthard and Frentzen. Hakkinen won from Coulthard in 1998, who had been at the back after being involved in an opening-lap accident. Schumacher was 3rd after being let through by Irvine, who claimed his brakes were marginal. He had survived another scrappy race in Austria, in which he had ripped his front wing off going through the gravel. A year later, Schumacher had just broken his leg at Silverstone and Irvine was a championship contender. He responded superbly, with a win, while David Coulthard nudged Hakkinen into a spin at the start, putting his team-mate at the back. He recovered to 3rd, though, with Coulthard 2nd. Hakkinen won from Coulthard in 2000, while it again didn't work out for Schumacher, the Ferrari driver out after being hit by Ricardo Zonta. Schumacher's team-mate Barrichello claimed 3rd. Coulthard won from Schumacher and Barrichello a year later, the German involved in a battle with race leader and Williams driver Juan Pablo Montoya which saw both drivers run off the circuit. Michael Schumacher finally grabbed a couple of wins in 2002 and 2003, although the first of these was hugely unpopular, after Barrichello was instructed to move over for him, which he did on the final straight. Montoya was third for Williams. Nick Heidfeld and Takuma Sato had a big collision. In 2003, it was Kimi Raikkonen who was runner-up for McLaren, with Barrichello 3rd. When the race returned to the revised circuit now called the Red Bull Ring in 2014, it was a Williams front-row lockout, Felipe Massa on pole and Valtteri Bottas alongside him. Nico Rosberg claimed the win from team-mate Lewis Hamilton, while Bottas and Massa were 3rd and 4th. The next year, pole-man Hamilton was overtaken by Rosberg at the first corner, who won by 8.8 seconds from him, with Massa in 3rd. It was once again the Mercedes drivers who battled up front in 2016, but this time it ended inamicably, as eventual world champion Rosberg, defending from Hamilton at Turn 2, turned late into the corner and collided with his team-mate, leaving Hamilton to go on to win and him to finish down in 4th. Max Verstappen and Raikkonen claimed the remaining podium spots. In 2017, Valtteri Bottas, now at Mercedes, was the victor, from Sebastian Vettel and Daniel Ricciardo, while in 2018 both Mercedes retired with technical issues, and Max Verstappen, who had already been leading, won from the Ferraris of Raikkonen and Vettel. Haas, meanwhile, claimed 4th and 5th with Grosjean and Magnussen, echoing the result in a previous incarnation of the team in 1986. Max Verstappen did it again in 2019, breaking Mercedes' stranglehold on race victories, and also giving Honda their first win as an engine manufacturer since 2006. Charles Leclerc and Bottas made up the podium. In 2020, the first of the double-header was the Austrian Grand Prix, which opened the truncated season, and Bottas won, after leading every lap, from Leclerc and Norris. Hamilton had finished in 2nd, but ended up relegated to 4th, following a five-second penalty for tangling with Albon as the Red Bull driver attempted to pass him round the outside for 2nd. Only 11 drivers reached the flag. The eventual seven-time world champion made some amends in Round 2, by taking victory from Bottas, who had beaten Verstappen in a straight fight on track into 3rd. Before his season unravelled, Albon had figured highly for the second consecutive race, coming home 4th after another collision, this time with Sergio Pérez. Last year, the order was switched and the first of the two rounds was the Styrian Grand Prix (Round 8), which Verstappen won from Hamilton and Bottas, before the Red Bull driver triumphed again in the Austrian Grand Prix, with Bottas 2nd and Lando Norris in 3rd. There is no Styrian Grand Prix this year, but we do have the second of this year's three Sprints to look forward to. The track Circuit length: 4.318 km Number of laps: 71 Race distance: 306.452 km Dry weather tyre compounds: C3, C4 & C5 Lap Record: 1:05.619 (2020 - Carlos Sainz - McLaren-Renault) First Grand Prix: 1963 First World Championship Austrian Grand Prix: 1964 First Grand Prix at current venue: 1969 First World Championship Grand Prix at current venue: 1970 First Grand Prix on current configuration: 2014 Trivia Of the current drivers, Max Verstappen has had the most Austrian Grand Prix victories. Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas have won one apiece. If you include the Styrian Grand Prix (run twice), that number rises to four wins for Verstappen and two for Hamilton. Alain Prost and Jo Siffert (the latter of whom shared a car en route to his 1969 victory) share the most Austrian Grand Prix wins with the current world champion. McLaren and Ferrari share the highest number of constructors' wins in the Austrian Grand Prix (with six apiece). McLaren look unlikely to move ahead this weekend, although Ferrari well could. Mercedes have five constructors' wins and could potentially join them on six, although they already have six if you count the Styrian Grand Prix. This same venue has had three different names - Österreichring, A1-Ring and Red Bull Ring. The current circuit has the quickest lap time in F1 and is the fourth-shortest circuit, after Monte Carlo, Mexico City and Interlagos. Carlos Sainz became the first new winner at the British Grand Prix since Johnny Herbert in 1995. In winning on his 151st entry (150th start), he avoided continuing his run as the 7th driver with the highest list of F1 starts with no wins, behind Martin Brundle (158), Romain Grosjean (179), Nico Hülkenberg (181), Nick Heidfeld (183) and Andrea de Cesaris (208). Instead, he joins the 34 other 'one-hit wonder' drivers who won or have won one F1 world championship race (25 if you discount the Indy 500). In F1 history, only Sergio Pérez had to wait longer for his first win, which he achieved in his 190th race. With Sainz's pole, for the second race in a row, a driver taking pole was also starting his 150th Grand Prix (it was Verstappen in Canada). Carlos's win makes him the only Spanish driver apart from Fernando Alonso to win in F1. George Russell retired on Lap 1 of a Grand Prix for the first time and also ended his run as the only person to finish in the points (and indeed also the top 5) this season. By leading in the British Grand Prix, Lewis Hamilton beat Michael Schumacher's record as the person to compete in the most consecutive seasons and lead a Grand Prix - Schumacher had 15 consecutive years, between 1992 and 2006, and now Hamilton has achieved the feat between 2007 and 2022. Mick Schumacher became the third Schumacher to score F1 points, after father Michael and uncle Ralf. The British Grand Prix also marked the first time a Schumacher, Verstappen and Magnussen all scored points in the same race. In the era Mick, Max and Kevin's fathers competed, the latter two's careers didn't quite overlap, with Jos Verstappen racing in 1994, Jan Magnussen briefly in 1995, Jos Verstappen again in 1996 and Jan Magnussen racing in 1998 and scoring his only point in the Canadian Grand Prix, before being replaced in the next race by Jos himself. Other information Join in the fun with the F1 Predictions Contest and Fantasy F1: https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...20#post4118620 https://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156986 |
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Thanks BR - really great intro as always. I really enjoy the Österreichring, even if today's version is less "out there" than the earlier versions it still has a combination of corners/gradients that is great to watch.
No doubt there'll be at least one "orange" grandstand, replete with orange smoke, supporting the McLarens & plenty of other crowd too. Rock on Sunday night (here in Oz). |
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Cheers for the intro BR, hopefully another great weekend of racing is upon us
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The Red Bull Ring is probably my favourite track outside of the 'classic six' (Monaco, Monza, Spa, Silverstone, Suzuka, Interlagos), and I would put it in the top three along with Silverstone and Interlagos for tracks that provide the best racing and wheel-to-wheel action. I think Verstappen will probably dominate but expect a good race in the mid-pack. Haas also traditionally go well here, so hopefully they can get a good result. However, I'm not too pleased about the sprint format, which I still haven't warmed to and particularly dislike how it is worth eight points for a win this year, making a good car this weekend a lot more valuable than at most other weekends. Hopefully it won't last too many years.
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Great intro as ever.
We're half way through the season. To think when I started following F1, there were 11 races in a season. It's Red Bull country this weekend and that will favour Super Max, who has won there thrice. Can he win a fourth time and extend his lead in the championship? The Red Bull Ring itself has produced great racing over the years and after last weekend's British GP, I'm looking forward to this weekend's Austrian GP. Exciting times! |
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Hamilton with a pretty big crash in qualifying. Sounds a bit winded.
And now Russell is in the wall too! |
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Super Max is on Pole for tomorrow's sprint race, followed by Leclerc, Sainz and Russell who made it on to the second row despite his crash. Mick Schumacher is up in 7th.
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All that orange smoke. It looks like the Orange Army has set itself on fire.
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An extra formation lap, as Zhou's car ground to a halt before it could line up. He got it restarted but will start from pit lane.
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Gasly not doing well on starts is he? Cyclically I also say a fortunate error that saw Zhou start from the pits and not in the pack after last weeks shunt?
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Leclerc and Sainz, a little reminiscent of Pironi and Villenueve at Imola.
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No more team orders for Ferrari I guess!
Pretty fair so far between them. fun stuff! |
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Hamilton finally gets past Schumacher. That was a good scrap.
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Congrats to Super Max.
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Congrats? Why? For winning of because you think he did something extraordinary?
It's just Max, there was nothing super(b) about him today. Or Leclerc, Sainz, Russell or most of the field IMO. Last edited by gert; 9 Jul 2022 at 19:41. |
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Yep, congrats to Max, no super required today......
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On a separate note did anyone see the guy in front of Hamilton go off 4 times?? Presume he was talkimg about Mick Schu. Unless it was off camera.... |
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Other than that, of course Max deserves to be congratulated for a race win, same as anyone else would be. |
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I was slightly puzzled by that radio call, too, unless Shumacher was going all four off in places, which we didn't see. Hamilton did seem a little tentative, as if he wasn't sure whether the bang at the start of the race had unsettled the car. |
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Yes he was talking about Mick being all four off four times but not being warned for it.
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i think lew meant 4 wheels marginally over the line 4 tiimes, hoping to get stewards involved
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btw mods im not a fan of the seperate rate the race/driver/team of the sprint and then sunday. Sunday is payday the main event save it for that or make it rate the race/driver/team OF THE WEEKEND
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Mick was fuming after the race. Never seen him like that before!
Not happy with the team for not switching him and Kev round, leaving him exposed to Hamilton etc? I thought Kevin was helping him with a DRS tow for quite a while which helped both of them defend first against Checo for a while and then against Hamilton. Although Magnussen was obviously going to break that tow once Mick got embroiled in the scrap with Lewis. Mick drove well and defended as long as he could, but knowing his intolerance of grumpy drivers, I doubt Steiner will have welcomed the flak post race. |
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