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22 Mar 2004, 08:00 (Ref:914710)
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Transponder incompatiability
I did 750MC's (aborted) race at Donington on Saturday. After qualifying, I found my transponder wasn't picking up, so went to the timekeepers - "no we can't pick up MST ones". Luckily, 750 lent me one, but do we have two icompatiable transponder systems in the UK?
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22 Mar 2004, 09:06 (Ref:914766)
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Looks like the governing hand of the MSA has remained firmly in it's pocket, once again
Unbelieveable........ |
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22 Mar 2004, 09:26 (Ref:914782)
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Interesting.. Did they mean they can't pick up the MST 'branded' ChronIT transponders, or the AMB 260 type transponders that MST use?
So what do the 750 club use then? |
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22 Mar 2004, 09:39 (Ref:914790)
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From memory, the quali sheet said "cars x, y and z: no transponder signal - please check transponders or get a ChronIT from race control". My MST transponder is powered from my electrical system; can't remember the type - 'twas ordered from http://www.mst-group.co.uk. The transponder I borrowed was the little red self-powered box which clips onto the rollcage. It wasn't a problem with my transponder, as the other BARC Caterham driver had the same problems.
So if you want to race with different clubs, you need two transponders? No exactly the cost savings we were promised... |
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22 Mar 2004, 10:10 (Ref:914818)
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It's only because 750 use someone called HST (I think) and not MST. Were promises made about cost savings when running with clubs that don't use MST?
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22 Mar 2004, 10:46 (Ref:914863)
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When transponders were introduced a few years ago, there was an implication that it would reduce costs. That was when an entry was about £120...
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22 Mar 2004, 11:15 (Ref:914899)
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Whether or not it reduces costs is (as we have seen) a matter of debate. But the simple fact here is that when using a different timing system then the transponders are likely to be different. And as (in general) there isn't a huge amount of mixing between 750MC and non-750 competitors, is it that much of an issue?
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22 Mar 2004, 11:42 (Ref:914913)
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Birkett?
Apart from that I like to do races with other clubs occassionally. It rather ties a driver into one club. |
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22 Mar 2004, 11:51 (Ref:914920)
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We also had a prob and were told we could hire one for £20 for the race I was told that the two systems are not compatible, which is a pain in the bum...
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22 Mar 2004, 11:52 (Ref:914921)
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Graeme - I do take your point. Perhaps the real issue is that 750MC do use a different system - presumably this is related to cost to the club.
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22 Mar 2004, 11:58 (Ref:914930)
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atr least they have spares you can borrow though... I just borrow one.
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22 Mar 2004, 12:48 (Ref:915000)
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Yep - good on 750MC - most other clubs charge to rent one
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22 Mar 2004, 13:15 (Ref:915028)
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Is this a new problem this year? I raced with the 750mc and a lot of other clubs last year and never had a problem with any of them. I have a little red rechargable one from MST made by AMD.
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22 Mar 2004, 13:34 (Ref:915057)
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I think that 750MC used the same timekeepers - HS Sports Timing and Results Systems - last year as well. Perhaps they didn't use transponders last year?
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22 Mar 2004, 15:54 (Ref:915273)
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The whole issue of buying transponders perplexes me anyway.. Why not just get one given to you when you sign on - one of the little rechargeable ones that most clubs keep spares of anyway. If you don't give it back at the end of the day, then the club sends you a letter with a fine if you don't send it back to them immediately.
That would eliminate any 'incompatibility' between transponders, or championships. It would also reduce the initial outlay for new competitors. I thought everyone used the same transponder type - the AMB 260. The larger, squarer orange coloured ChronIT transponder that was often issued by MST is compatible with the genuine AMB (red, narrower) unit, so what's the real issue here? |
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22 Mar 2004, 19:51 (Ref:915573)
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The 750 timing system can pick up both the AMB and the Chronit, but the Chronit ones are so unreliable many of them will not register. When the time sheets indicate no transponder signal and the driver wanders over to race control Robin Knight always asks which transponder is fitted, it nearly always turns out to be a Chronit!If this happens the 750 club will lend them an AMB and then recommend them to buy one before the next meeting.
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22 Mar 2004, 20:43 (Ref:915645)
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The ChronIT ones you have to make sure there is a clear path to the ground. It doesnt work properly if you have carbon or metal between it and the ground.
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31 Mar 2004, 13:58 (Ref:925258)
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Hopefully this will explain the incompatibility problem.
The 750MC have been using a transponder based timing system suppied by HS Sports since the start of 2003. It is operated by MSA licensed timekeepers who are not employed by HS Sports. The system is based around the (red) AMB Tranx260 transponder (either direct powered or rechargeable). It is true, however, that there is a problem detecting (orange) ChronIT/MST transponders with the version of decoder that is being used. The problem is with the decoder. The previous version from AMB was able to detect ChronIT/MST transponders, the new version does not. AMB no longer supply the old version. The question is will AMB fix it so that their transponders work? They are working on a fix but it has been described to me as 'like trying to operate a Sony TV with a Phillips remote control'. As Barry said, if you have a ChronIT transponder then 750MC will lend you an AMB one for the day. No transponder, no matter if it is AMB or ChronIT/MST, works too well through metal or carbon fibre. |
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