Toyota -Jordan and Fuji? (merged) - Page 2

N I Tram · 29 Oct 2004, 12:15 (Ref:1139804)

So Jordan, and then Toyota, could gain Renault secrets, in a fairly underhand way? We're used to Toyota working on the limits of the rules, and sometimes beyond them, so nothign surprises me with them. I'd be pelased if tehy save Jordan and give them a great engine and good designer in the process, but it wouldn't be the same without Eddie. I'm sure I'd still grow to love the team, as I feel that F1 needs non-maufacturer teams, but I'd hate to lose Eddie.

Kicking-back · 29 Oct 2004, 14:22 (Ref:1139920)

How is it an underhand way NI Tram.

He used to work for Renault, and now he doesn't - you can't wipe his brain!

And I understand whatever happens with the Jordan ownership, Eddie will still be involved.

RaceFreak · 29 Oct 2004, 14:25 (Ref:1139924)

Next hear's spec limits the downforce, which teams like Jordan lacked. Also harder compound tires necessitates an even greater degree of mechanical grip, which is harder to achieve than downforce grip. The use of wind tunnels and CFD will be that much more important next year, to get every last bit of downforce legally available. This hurts Jordan and the lower budget teams even more than last year. Toyota would be wise to throw some wind tunnel and supercomputer time in with the engine deal. Perhaps that is how they'll ensure Jordan doesn't beat the factory team... Look for them at the back of the grid, again. Unfortunate.

Kicking-back · 29 Oct 2004, 14:33 (Ref:1139930)

Better at the back of the grid than not on the grid at all.

luke · 29 Oct 2004, 16:08 (Ref:1139989)

True, but if your not good enough and not scoring points then you shall not make any money and not improve.

Kicking-back · 29 Oct 2004, 17:25 (Ref:1140039)

Jordan do score points though.

Mike_Wooshy · 29 Oct 2004, 17:29 (Ref:1140043)

i think this is great news that jordan are working on a deal with toyota, BUT id rather keep the GP at suzuka as fuji is being redeveloped under "the tilke" and he has ruined the track IMHO so id rather not go there, but i hope to see jordan climb up the ladder soon.

alesi95 · 29 Oct 2004, 18:25 (Ref:1140083)

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Originally posted by Kicking-back
There are rumours that Toyota is switching to Bridgestone.

That would make sense. Not sure what Ferrari would think though.

Nordic · 12 Nov 2004, 13:26 (Ref:1151529)

Jordon confirm

No major suprise, but its good to know for sure.

Hopefully a change of colour as well. Yellow, IMHO does not often work on a racing car.

Any word on drivers?

Kicking-back · 12 Nov 2004, 13:40 (Ref:1151537)

I would expect we may see Ryan Briscoe and Timo Glock.

luke · 12 Nov 2004, 16:55 (Ref:1151752)

In fact Timo Glock is a good driver not many drivers score on their debut especially in slow machinery.
I would also think Ryan Briscoe would make a good driver,
Kicking-back are these two the most likely drivers?

They are both good enough it's just that an experienced driver may benefit.

BootsOntheSide · 12 Nov 2004, 17:40 (Ref:1151783)

Timo was very lucky to make his debut in that race though - Jordan only had 3 or 4 scoring opportunities all season. His races at the end of the season mark him down as beign steady but unspectacular - good pay-driver material and no disgrace, but I'd hope the Asian backers will provide enough to get a more talented driver in.

Briscoe seems very likely to be used, and he'd be useful as he has experience of the engines, but he hasn't fully blossomed as a racing driver yet.

Tweed · 12 Nov 2004, 17:56 (Ref:1151796)

Ideally, Toyota would want a Japanese protege, someone like Hirate if he's any good. I'd look forward to seeing Briscoe in the car.

shiny side up! · 12 Nov 2004, 19:07 (Ref:1151848)

Hmmm, as far as Tilke efforts go, I think the Fuji plan may well be the best one:

http://www.fujispeedway.co.jp/englis...rse_guide.html

Definitely see the Tilke-influence, but much more of a traditional circuit that chinaraihnaysia!

BootsOntheSide · 12 Nov 2004, 21:07 (Ref:1151936)

You can almost mentally divide Fuji into the original parts and the Tilke parts.

neilap · 13 Nov 2004, 22:18 (Ref:1152724)

I knew from Toyota entered F1 that they would attempt to bring F1 there. They began plans on changing the straight at Fuji just about the same time. It would be a shame to lose Suzuka, but it would not be the end of the world. Honda's track is classic, I know the drivers love it but its not the best for passing. It measures how well the car is balanced but there arnt enough fast straights followed by slow turns...

The Jordan deal, imo is a way to get a further stronghold in the sport. Financially, no team will be able to compete with them. I am quite sure they have a plan to buy out as much as they can till they begin winning.

jc_nl · 15 Nov 2004, 09:57 (Ref:1153793)

it's officialy official now

It's just engines, if they could have suplied them with branding them as Toyota they would have done so.

ozrevhead · 15 Nov 2004, 10:45 (Ref:1153827)

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Originally posted by jc_nl
it's officialy official now

It's just engines, if they could have suplied them with branding them as Toyota they would have done so.

probally why its only 1 year.

no mention on if the deal includes ryan going to jordan though

its a great deal for jordan IMHO - it will be of great benifit

billyblister · 15 Nov 2004, 16:40 (Ref:1154176)

Hmmm not as excited as I thought I'd be, only one year!

Kicking-back · 15 Nov 2004, 16:48 (Ref:1154188)

It's only 1 year to begin with - that may well be extended.

The lack of Toyota branding is so Jordan can sell the badging in the way Prost had Prost-Acer or Sauber have Sauber-Petronas.

BootsOntheSide · 15 Nov 2004, 16:59 (Ref:1154205)

Getting the same deal with no branding agreement is good for Jordan, as KB points out. A one-year deal is realistically all Toyota can commit to right now - the team may struggle, or the engine rules may change in a way that makes the deal inefficient.

billyblister · 15 Nov 2004, 17:02 (Ref:1154209)

But why would a big team like Toyota go out of their way to supply a team like Jordan without the branding?
Is it because they don't want to associated with a team that could potentially be at the back of the grid?

Long term success should come from a BMW\Honda setup with major involvement with the team surely...

Kicking-back · 15 Nov 2004, 17:12 (Ref:1154222)

No - it's more to do with the fact they don't want Toyota branding competing against their own cars.

alesi95 · 15 Nov 2004, 20:25 (Ref:1154432)

Quote:

Originally posted by BootsOntheSide
You can almost mentally divide Fuji into the original parts and the Tilke parts.

your not wrong are you.

zork · 15 Nov 2004, 20:35 (Ref:1154443)

Are Toyota are still partners with Yamaha? Jordan Yamaha mk2

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