[LM24] Jaguar's comeback?

[minimangler]

They've got the caliber then.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by minimangler

They've got the caliber then.

I believe so. Some consider Paul a pariah as he was Trans Am when it went under and some blame him for it. Although it had been in decline for awhile. And he was also part of Champ Car management, along with fielding a team, when it went under. But there again it was already in pretty bad shape when he entered the scene.
But back to his/Rocketsports ability to field a car, I think they are more than capable.


L.P.

[extramundane]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

I believe so. Some consider Paul a pariah as he was Trans Am when it went under and some blame him for it. Although it had been in decline for awhile. And he was also part of Champ Car management, along with fielding a team, when it went under. But there again it was already in pretty bad shape when he entered the scene.
But back to his/Rocketsports ability to field a car, I think they are more than capable.


L.P.

While both TA and Champ Car were more than capable of dying without Gentilozzi's involvement, his presence certainly did not help things (and led to a series of PR nightmares for Champ Car...just ask the folks at CDW about his professionalism).

As for his ability to field a car...I'll repeat the comment that got me banned at a Certain Champcar Forum: Let's just say that he runs better when he owns the series.

[Tim the Grey]

I remember talking to Will Gracia from Jag USA when I worked in Brown's Lane, years back, about how Jag US customers always bought 2. One to use, one in for repair!

And how this would have to change with the XKR, as some were being bought by people who liked to carry guns. And were not too fussed about using them!

Quality IS better now, but there is always room for improvement, whatever make you buy?

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Tim the Grey

I remember talking to Will Gracia from Jag USA when I worked in Brown's Lane, years back, about how Jag US customers always bought 2. One to use, one in for repair!

And how this would have to change with the XKR, as some were being bought by people who liked to carry guns. And were not too fussed about using them!

Quality IS better now, but there is always room for improvement, whatever make you buy?

What is wrong with carring a gun or two? Just Kidding lol not really.

The old XLR was the favoite of drug dealers and pimps until the Lexus came out.

But your right Tim quality must improve for Jag to succeed in any market.

[knighty]

yeah, I hope Jag come back too.......but to be honest, if thay have been snooping around they will have worked out quite quickly that GT1 is the best place to start, then the ACO will be gagging for Jag to jump up into LMP1, so they will then grant Jag a special engine rule which is very favourable, then they will jump ship to LMP1........just as the ACO have done with Aston and Corvette.........Corvette really seem to have played the ACO a treat with the 7.0 LMP1 rule!

I think LMP1 will be a too bigger jump from Apex's current GT3 project, and even by Richard Lloyds (RIP) own admission the first car was not ideal, but it took a full year to get it into a front running car.........LMP1 will be an absolute massive challenge.......GT1 will be less so, but still hard........GT1 will also be easier to sell to Jaguar as it looks like a road car and will help sales.........something which they really need at the mo

Regarding engines, my spies in Jaguar tell me they currently have a 5.0 Litre direct injection supercharged engine in development for road car use in both Jags and Land Rovers, this would make a reasonable GT1 motor........but not LMP1 motor, I think they would need a clean sheet engine for that........which will be a problem, as they will not then have a GT1 engine that can carry accross from GT1 to LMP1.

[minimangler]

Well the new XKR-s is already a big favourite for Top Gear magazine already, and it has "racecar" written over it far more than the DB9 ever did.

[johntt]

Originally Posted by knighty

Corvette really seem to have played the ACO a treat with the 7.0 LMP1 rule!

Off topic: I noticed that, seems we have Lola-Aston Martins and now we could soon have Lola-Chevrolets. History repeating itself in a good way.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by knighty

yeah, I hope Jag come back too.......but to be honest, if thay have been snooping around they will have worked out quite quickly that GT1 is the best place to start, then the ACO will be gagging for Jag to jump up into LMP1, so they will then grant Jag a special engine rule which is very favourable, then they will jump ship to LMP1........just as the ACO have done with Aston and Corvette.........Corvette really seem to have played the ACO a treat with the 7.0 LMP1 rule!

I think LMP1 will be a too bigger jump from Apex's current GT3 project, and even by Richard Lloyds (RIP) own admission the first car was not ideal, but it took a full year to get it into a front running car.........LMP1 will be an absolute massive challenge.......GT1 will be less so, but still hard........GT1 will also be easier to sell to Jaguar as it looks like a road car and will help sales.........something which they really need at the mo

Regarding engines, my spies in Jaguar tell me they currently have a 5.0 Litre direct injection supercharged engine in development for road car use in both Jags and Land Rovers, this would make a reasonable GT1 motor........but not LMP1 motor, I think they would need a clean sheet engine for that........which will be a problem, as they will not then have a GT1 engine that can carry accross from GT1 to LMP1.

I think we've seen enough movement from the ACO to suggest if Jaguar, for example, went to them with a proposal for a P1 engine, clearly based on the production V8, they would recieve similar restrictor breaks to homologated GT1 engines, particularly if the engine was already in use in a GT3/GT2 car.

Right now I think the ACO would consider a two engine set-up if you put forward a decent case, lol!

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by JAG

I think we've seen enough movement from the ACO to suggest if Jaguar, for example, went to them with a proposal for a P1 engine, clearly based on the production V8, they would recieve similar restrictor breaks to homologated GT1 engines, particularly if the engine was already in use in a GT3/GT2 car.

Right now I think the ACO would consider a two engine set-up if you put forward a decent case, lol!

I believe that to be an awfully far reaching statement.


L.P.

[Tim the Grey]

Till we get a Lola Ford badged GT, followed by something from Porsche.

Hmmm. 5 litre V12 Ferrari, anyone.

Caling Mr.McQueen, that's your cue!

[deggis]

Originally Posted by knighty

I think LMP1 will be a too bigger jump from Apex's current GT3 project, and even by Richard Lloyds (RIP) own admission the first car was not ideal, but it took a full year to get it into a front running car.........LMP1 will be an absolute massive challenge.......GT1 will be less so, but still hard........GT1 will also be easier to sell to Jaguar as it looks like a road car and will help sales.........something which they really need at the mo

In 2010 there might no GT1 class (in the current form). That's probably the least likely class.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

I believe that to be an awfully far reaching statement.


L.P.

The two engined quote?

I'd put my house on a major manufactuer like Jaguar recieving virtually identical restrictor breaks as homologated GT1 engines, if the engine was genuinly production based.

The ACO are in this to attract manufactuers.

The flick of a pen and that homologated GT1 engine reg could apply to GT2 and GT3 cars overnight, in fact any production engine produced in sufficient quantities. That has to be th long term goal, afterall, only Aston Martin, GM and Maserati/Ferrari could benefit from the homologated GT1 reg.

[HORNDAWG]

Must not like that house. Hope you got a nice caravan as a back up.


L.P.

[knighty]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Must not like that house. Hope you got a nice caravan as a back up.


L.P.

Totally agree, that must be a wafty house.........twin engines my arse.........but I do agree that Jag would recieve a very favourable LMP1 restrictor break at the moment.

If Jag really do go for LMP1 I can only Imagine apex will just run the car, just like they did for Bentley........design would be farmed out to a specialist company like Lola/Dallara/Dome/Epsilon/KWM etc.......LMP1 is now on par with F1 technology and cannot be done without serious design resources and aero experience.

[Mal]

If Jag wanted a GT1 then surely Prodrive is the answer as I beleive the XKR shares the same platform as the DB9 and therefore it would be a fairly easy job to bolt XKR body onto the DBR chassis?

[knighty]

Originally Posted by Mal

If Jag wanted a GT1 then surely Prodrive is the answer as I beleive the XKR shares the same platform as the DB9 and therefore it would be a fairly easy job to bolt XKR body onto the DBR chassis?

twin engines, and now Prodrive doing a Jag job.........now surely you must have worked out that Prodrive (owned by a certain David Richards who runs Aston) are now sworn enemies with Jaguar.......Aston are owned by a saudi investment firm......Jag by Tata.......its proper swords drawn stuff.......they are now competing brands - head on.........I think pigs will fly before Prodrive do any sort of Jag racing programme, thats why I didnt mention them above.

Prodrive have comissioned Gordon Murray to pen the next Aston LMP1, I dare say its now well advanced.

[isynge]

Originally Posted by knighty

Prodrive have comissioned Gordon Murray to pen the next Aston LMP1, I dare say its now well advanced.

Is this potentially a bit of poacher-turned-gamekeeper given that Gordon Murray has been consulting with the ACO on what the future (I'm not going to call them EVO) regs will look like. Given that the ACO has been highly unforthcoming about what these regs will look like could Aston Martin's activities in engaging Gordon Murray be a classic example of the great British tradition of pursuing the unfair advantage?

[JAG]

You mean Aston Martin have been ploughing ahead with a P1 Evo, while in public stating a decision has not yet been made, whatever next.

Time for Jaguar to step up then, or be left even further behind!

[Tim the Grey]

I live less than 4 miles from Gaydon.
Where Astons are made.

Jags design HQ is 300 yards away.

AFAIK they share the developement roads, seeing as they are both on the old RAF Gaydon site.

But I bet there is a LARGE chain link fence going to separate the two before long...

Prodrive doing Jags? Maybe, as a Road Car developement project.
No chance of them doing a race Jag.

Aston have Prodrive's test track just up the road.
JLR will have Gaydon's runway.

I need to get a job over there, so I can see more of what is really happening.

[minimangler]

Trust me, Prodrive will not touch Jag with anything other than a very sharp stick.

[908-HDI]

It'll be much more interesting if Tata makes a racing version of the Nano to compete in the GT2 category.

[minimangler]

Originally Posted by 908-HDI

It'll be much more interesting if Tata makes a racing version of the Nano to compete in the GT2 category.

I'll get on to sketching that....

and then sell it to them

[johntt]

Originally Posted by 908-HDI

It'll be much more interesting if Tata makes a racing version of the Nano to compete in the GT2 category.

Not sure it wuld be suited to GT racing, how about touring cars?

[minimangler]

Originally Posted by johntt

Not sure it wuld be suited to GT racing, how about touring cars?

Should still be able to beat a 430 for pace and a 997 for bits not falling off