The "Real" real Poll - Page 3

Armco Bender · 3 Jan 2003, 10:29 (Ref:462593)

One driver has won 5 WDC's so far,One driver has won 1 WDC and done nothing else since,the other 2 will never win the WDC,easy poll wasn't it then.

Mark Webber · 3 Jan 2003, 11:09 (Ref:462625)

so true!

rollhoop · 3 Jan 2003, 23:23 (Ref:463170)

Put Schumi in a Minardi and he's mediocre at best!!! JPM could win 5 WDC in todays Ferrari.

Kex · 3 Jan 2003, 23:31 (Ref:463183)

I disagree. Schumi would beat Montoya's *** any day in that Ferrari.

Damon · 4 Jan 2003, 00:12 (Ref:463233)

Yeah in THAT Ferrari perhaps. The god damn car's been built round him. Stick them both in a drivers car, say the 1982 Ferrari, and you may well get a different result.

Mr V · 4 Jan 2003, 00:15 (Ref:463238)

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Originally posted by Kex
I disagree. Schumi would beat Montoya's *** any day in that Ferrari.

Rubens is a good driver, but not regarded as one of the best and he got fairly close to Michael (although not in final points total admittidly, but closer than previous seasons) so i'm sure that Michael wouldn't beat Montoya's arse.

Wrex · 4 Jan 2003, 00:31 (Ref:463262)

Quote:

Originally posted by mr v
(although not in final points total admittidly, but closer than previous seasons)

Actually he was beaten by 67 points, same as last year. The closest he got was 46 points behind in his first year.

I agree though, Rubins was closer in reality this year, but I'm not sure what proportion should be attributed to the car's improvement than his own.

Michael would beat Montoya today (in any car IMO) but Monty would make it both closer and great deal more interesting than Rubins could.

TheGreatJuan · 4 Jan 2003, 03:34 (Ref:463316)

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Originally posted by Wrex
TheGreatJuan is'nt doing himself or his hero any favors lately is he.

Reminds me of a schumacher fan who's name escapes me. I kept thinking 'shut up - your not helping him'

GreatJuan, some of your posts do make you look ignorant and/or blinded by your Juan obsession. Take it easy buddy, most here already think he's the ant's pants. Comments like that just make you look silly.

What the hell is wrong with you moderator. What happened to the "attack the post not the poster" rule?

At the end of the day it is evident that Schumi has done nothing without Brawn-Byrne mobiles and his teammate under severe restrictions to race him. That is a huge advantage and cannot be excluded from a fair evaluation of his talent. I happen to think that Yoong would do just as well with such a treatment.

JohnSSC · 4 Jan 2003, 04:01 (Ref:463322)

I would tend to disagree there. Part of Michael's talent is his ability to get the most out of the machinery when he needs to, and as little as he needs when he doesn't, and still win. It is called racecraft. He is using the best car - and what a compliment to say it has been designed around him, seeing as how it is the best car - to the maximum advantage. RB got close, not because he is anywhere near Michael's level, but because Michael was going as fast as he needed to. It took Mansell years to learn that and RB is certainly no Mansell.

Yoong would do much better in the F2002, but unless Michael, JPM, Kimi et al were locked in a hotel room for the season, he would never be WDC.

**Asp** · 4 Jan 2003, 11:53 (Ref:463467)

Quote:

Originally posted by JohnSSC

Yoong would do much better in the F2002, but unless Michael, JPM, Kimi et al were locked in a hotel room for the season, he would never be WDC.

Imagine that eh!

Kimi would sit in the corner quietly, leaving JPM and Michael at logger heads with each other. Big Brother gone wrong!!

Jordi · 4 Jan 2003, 12:21 (Ref:463483)

On the subject of Jacques getting not a lot of votes.... I'm inclined to think it's because we're being honest. Jacques is very close. Maybe has more natural talent than MS, but lacks more in another essentials of being a race driver. Of course, if we had to choose "Who's the driver that has crashed less for WDC" we'd get different votings...

Wrex · 4 Jan 2003, 12:30 (Ref:463491)

.....and another Poll on WDC has been the biggest sell-out?

TheGreatJuan · 4 Jan 2003, 13:53 (Ref:463530)

Quote:

Originally posted by JohnSSC
Yoong would do much better in the F2002, but unless Michael, JPM, Kimi et al were locked in a hotel room for the season, he would never be WDC.

Schumi would not do as well as he does if he didn't have a mediocre teammate under severe orders to be a lackey and the other few talented drivers stuck in cars that 2 seconds slower than the Ferrari.

Wrex · 4 Jan 2003, 13:55 (Ref:463531)

Greatone, you keep quoting this 'second advantage' statistic, do you have a source or is it made up?

Inigo Montoya · 4 Jan 2003, 15:42 (Ref:463608)

Quote:

Originally posted by TheGreatJuan
Schumi would not do as well as he does if he didn't have a mediocre teammate under severe orders to be a lackey and the other few talented drivers stuck in cars that 2 seconds slower than the Ferrari.

And has JPM whipped the pants off his teammate, who you yourself claim is so terrible? No... so I guess at least Michael can soundly beat HIS mediocre teammate...

kdr · 4 Jan 2003, 16:02 (Ref:463619)

theres still no sign of jv doing it, but i wonder if jpm could become wdc after dragging his team from this...

kdr · 4 Jan 2003, 16:03 (Ref:463620)

to this...

kdr · 4 Jan 2003, 16:04 (Ref:463622)

maybe jpm will become wdc in a car he'll inherit from tgf?

TheGreatJuan · 4 Jan 2003, 16:15 (Ref:463629)

Quote:

Originally posted by kdr
theres still no sign of jv doing it, but i wonder if jpm could become wdc after dragging his team from this...

I think only Brawn and Byrne get the credit from building a car that even Yoong would let himself drive to the title

kdr · 4 Jan 2003, 16:19 (Ref:463633)

williams should sack patrick head and sam michaels now...seeing as all those poles in 2002 are down to jpm alone.

TheGreatJuan · 4 Jan 2003, 16:41 (Ref:463653)

Quote:

Originally posted by kdr
williams should sack patrick head and sam michaels now...seeing as all those poles in 2002 are down to jpm alone.

Only Juan and BMW saved Williams from fighting with BARs and Minardis. I think BMW considering building their own team says more tham 1000 words.

kdr · 4 Jan 2003, 17:11 (Ref:463673)

and ralf...he won a race for them.

Don K · 4 Jan 2003, 21:29 (Ref:463838)

Quote:

Originally posted by TheGreatJuan
Only Juan and BMW saved Williams from fighting with BARs and Minardis.

May I remind you that in 2002 Ralf scored more points than Sauber, Jordan, Jaguar, BAR, Minardi, Toyota and Arrows together (just like Juan)?

And that in 2001 Ralf scored more points than Sauber and Jordan together, and Jordan, BAR and Benetton together, and BAR, Benetton, Jaguar, Prost, Arrows and Minardi together (unlike Juan)?

Or are you trying to tell us that BMW is the only reason Williams was able to contract a driver as good as Ralf?

TheGreatJuan · 4 Jan 2003, 23:11 (Ref:463941)

No. All those things you mentioned are because of the BMW. The 7 poles are down to Juan's out of this world talent.

Wrex · 5 Jan 2003, 02:05 (Ref:464079)

Hmmm, so when he does'nt so well, it's the car, and when he does do well, it's talent. Amazing. Throw him in the Minardi and let him do it again.

View Poll Results: Who is the best driver in Formula One today?
Michael Schumacher	30	50.00%
Juan Pablo Montoya	18	30.00%
Jacques Villeneuve	9	15.00%
Eddie Irvine (every poll should have a joke in it)	1	1.67%
Other	2	3.33%
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