My Tracks Raceway 4 - Page 5

Lustigson · 27 Dec 2005, 08:14 (Ref:1490419)

Aahh... we're really getting somewhere, here. Very good!

However, I'd still like to change a few parts of our track:

I'd still tighten the first corner to improve overtaking. I'd like the run towards the second hairpin-like turn to be a bit more straight, but OK, I'll leave that to you guys. And the run towards the hairpin/Karrusel in the centre as it is now, is terrible for overtaking into the hairpin. That run needs to be a longer straight.

the_royksopp · 27 Dec 2005, 12:20 (Ref:1490498)

Ah please Lustig, you just removed the entire esses-section

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However, i agree with your chances to T1, and i also agree that the track still lacks some overtaking spots. I could see T4 (bottom right corner) tightened, or alternatively the multiple-apex in the bottom left corner removed, and made into something like the Lesmo's at Monza - however, i sense the multiple-apex is fairly popular.

Lustigson · 27 Dec 2005, 12:58 (Ref:1490516)

The problem with the esses is that they seriously break up the run towards the hairpin. I guess we'll have to choose between a good run through the esses or a good overtaking opportunity at the hairpin. We can't have both, I'm afraid.

Chaynes321 · 27 Dec 2005, 14:00 (Ref:1490541)

see my version ... i have a nice flowing esses section before the hairpin which would bunch the pack up for slip-streaming through the following straight (edits to corners in between may be needed)

do what u wish

the_royksopp · 27 Dec 2005, 14:09 (Ref:1490544)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lustig

The problem with the esses is that they seriously break up the run towards the hairpin. I guess we'll have to choose between a good run through the esses or a good overtaking opportunity at the hairpin. We can't have both, I'm afraid.

112% ageed

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I'd say keep the esses, which are a nice part of the track, and enhance overtaking elsewhere - either at T4 or at the multiple-apex which i don't see as fantastic as many do.

Lustigson · 27 Dec 2005, 14:31 (Ref:1490553)

Right, CG. I'll see if I can make something of it. Just a minute...

Lustigson · 27 Dec 2005, 14:42 (Ref:1490562)

Something like this?

shambles · 27 Dec 2005, 15:37 (Ref:1490581)

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_royksopp

Toothless if you ask me.

Martin - which chicanes - other than the corkscrew ofcourse.

I meant the two, corkscrew options.. i.e the one I designed, and the one AF designed, have them both available, and used as the series running desires.

I like Lustig's alterations to turn 4

PAUL

Lustigson · 27 Dec 2005, 15:54 (Ref:1490590)

I'd like to ask Pirenzo to make a detailed version of the track, if we're all happy with the result. And maybe Alwaysfirst en/of TR could make a list with corner numbers and the names of the designers who should come up with names for their corners. And would we like to have a certain theme with this track or just make something up?

By the way, how far are we on the number of posts?

pirenzo · 27 Dec 2005, 16:34 (Ref:1490606)

This is post number 9915.

I'll give the graphics a go if someone could post a final pic of the layout and its minor circuit links too.

**FIRE** · 27 Dec 2005, 16:37 (Ref:1490608)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lustigson

Something like this?

I think this version is good (but have to admit I am not convinced about the corner left below)

Lustigson · 27 Dec 2005, 16:39 (Ref:1490609)

I'm happy with that picture, too.

the_royksopp · 27 Dec 2005, 16:44 (Ref:1490613)

Just a couple of alterations;

1) Slightly tighten the first lesmo, and slightly loosen the second.
2) Slightly loosen the central hairpin.

Regarding corner and track naming, what should the theme be this time around?

My proposal would be: F1 teams no longer in existance (ie. Brabham, Jordan, Tyrrell etc.)

Lustigson · 27 Dec 2005, 16:45 (Ref:1490614)

That's a nice theme, TR. You have my vote.

About the changes: I can live with those, too.

pirenzo · 27 Dec 2005, 17:01 (Ref:1490618)

Lesmos? Where? Unless you're talking about turns 5 + 6, which look like 2nd gear corners to me...

Lustigson · 27 Dec 2005, 17:04 (Ref:1490620)

Well, aren't the current Lesmos at Monza 2nd gear?

pirenzo · 27 Dec 2005, 17:16 (Ref:1490624)

Nope...

According to formula1.com Lesmo 1 is 164km/h, 3rd gear and Lesmo 2 is 158km/h in 3rd gear also.

Variante Della Roggia is 2nd gear...

Whatever though, I'll make the changes for the final thing.

Lustigson · 27 Dec 2005, 17:19 (Ref:1490625)

OK. Looking forward to it.

I wonder how quick the old Lesmos were.

the_royksopp · 27 Dec 2005, 17:25 (Ref:1490628)

Ah, y'know what i mean

. Yes, T4-5.

the_royksopp · 27 Dec 2005, 17:26 (Ref:1490629)

Regarding theme, let's just wait a couple of hours to see if anybody else have got any ideas.

pirenzo · 27 Dec 2005, 17:30 (Ref:1490633)

About 130mph (200km/h) I should think.

Lustigson · 27 Dec 2005, 17:34 (Ref:1490637)

Good point.

By the way, P, what version of Gimp do you use?

pirenzo · 27 Dec 2005, 17:47 (Ref:1490643)

2.2.7 I think...

Chaynes321 · 27 Dec 2005, 18:43 (Ref:1490671)

i like the 'lesmo' i dea and i agree with TR with changes ...

i dont wish to sound like a miserable git but ...

im not happy with the corkscrew entrance kink i would much rather it be flush with the straight ...
I would also like to open up the turn after the hairpin
oh and fianlly the final corner needs to change as its currently not flat out imo

... i will do an edit later tonight ...

theme = great idea

pienzo = have a bash

Purist · 27 Dec 2005, 19:41 (Ref:1490697)

I know this is late in the game (busy with family and all here), but having that really angled first turn, then the short straight, and then the bend before the hairpin just seems out of place given the rest of the circuit. Having that 90 degree or so corner that is immediately followed by that longer bend before the straight into the hairpin seems to fit better. You would still have a relatively slow first turn (passing opportunity retained), and possibly give an opportunity to duck inside of someone into the following hairpin given the longer straight that you would then have there.

I'll go along with the proposed theme for naming the corners.

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