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10 Sep 2005, 17:13 (Ref:1403812)
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Confirmed: Williams to Bridgestone, Red Bull stay on Michelin
Tyre announcements for next year have been made.
Looks like Toyota go to Bridgestone too, giving five teams each. (I expect Minardi may have to change to Michelin though) |
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10 Sep 2005, 17:15 (Ref:1403816)
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Odd.
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10 Sep 2005, 17:16 (Ref:1403817)
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Why is it odd?
Williams have been behind McLaren, Renault, BAR, Toyota and sometimes Red Bull on Michelins. Swap to Bridgestones and on days when they have the upper hand they'll be the 2nd or 3rd Bridgestone team at worst. |
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10 Sep 2005, 17:20 (Ref:1403821)
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Well that depends. If Bridgestone have a stinky year, they go down with them.
Of course, it could be a smart move in the sense that the future probably holds a Bridgestone control tyre. |
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10 Sep 2005, 17:21 (Ref:1403822)
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Williams and Toyota have really gone against the grain here.
I hope they know something us mere mortals don't regarding the tyres for next year. |
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10 Sep 2005, 17:25 (Ref:1403824)
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You would expect Bridgestone to be an improvement next year of course. And we'll get a good indicator of their direction with the new compound/construction in Brazil, so they say.
I still think it's a little wild to switch to them. They could look like idiots here, as much as they could look like geniuses. It's also known that Mike Gascoyne is not a happy bunny about Toyota's likely tyre switch. |
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10 Sep 2005, 17:35 (Ref:1403831)
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I didn't expect Red Bull to stay on Michelin, because of its engine deal with Ferrari. But if Toyota and Williams will go on Bridgestone, it would be could news for Ferrari as well.
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10 Sep 2005, 17:38 (Ref:1403834)
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Toyota will go on Bridgestone as well. According to GP2005.com, the deal has been confirmed.
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10 Sep 2005, 17:40 (Ref:1403835)
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well . Sauber switched to Michelin . so why not Red Bull to stay with Michelin ??
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10 Sep 2005, 18:04 (Ref:1403848)
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Sauber's switch was widely percieved as the first clue that the team's relationship with Ferrari was breaking down.
I think Toyota and Williams have been quite clever here. Bridgestone may still have a wet-weather advantage, and they have much more chance of having competitive tyres when they have 3 top teams helping them develop, and there are bound to be days when Bridgestone are at an advantage. it may also be that Bridgestone have learnt the hard way that you can't concentrate primarily on one team and expect others to remains. Also, it gives them a year or 2 of working with the company and its tyres before everyone has to switch. |
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10 Sep 2005, 18:21 (Ref:1403855)
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Working on the basis that the confrimations of Toyota and Williams swapping are in fact 100% solid, well this is wonderful.
Williams provides another decent team with a solid future (at least in the mid-term). For me, though, it is the Toyota that is the big one. This is absolutely fantastic. I have been wanting this for a while. However, the big issue is that Bridgestone and Ferrari MUST put their whole efforts and will into maximising the potential. Get Toyota to set up the dedicated test team ala Ferrari, and then have a complete free flow of all data. Find common ground and have both teams working towards the same ends. The potential of such a set-up is, in my opinion, utterly immense. I guess testing agreements or what have you will need to be thought about, but having said that Toyota have shown themselves perfectly capable and willing to exploit loopholes either way. Naturally it would be good if Williams would be willing to enter into a similar strategy, but somehow I don't think they would be up for getting quite so involved. In that case, then, Bridgestone would clearly just need to work on seperate tyres for them. There is the other option of Williams broadly working to the same ends, but just not being quite so interlinked (preferable for sure). Who knows, though, perhaps Toyota and Williams will go into a close relationship and leave Ferrari isolated? Although, I think, ultimately, the new teams would be wise to get close to Ferrari. I do have some degree of concern that Ferrari may not be willing to go into the total partnership with Toyota as I explained it above. However, hopefully this year has proven an adequate jolt to make it seen as the only really viable option. Midland could be something worthwhile next year too: if the money starts rolling in now that the whole Jordan thing is thrown away and they are building things purely on their own endevours? This is all very interesting, and I am thoroughly happy about it. |
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10 Sep 2005, 19:06 (Ref:1403866)
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Two big teams switch to Bridgestone because they think it'll be good for them, not so they can help Ferrari.
If current trends continue, Toyota will be the lead Bridgestone team in any case. |
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10 Sep 2005, 19:23 (Ref:1403874)
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Its interesting in that the two teams which were instrumental in bringing Michelin into F1 (Williams and Toyota) have now turned their backs on Michelin.
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10 Sep 2005, 19:31 (Ref:1403879)
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I realise they do not join to help Ferrari KB. I was obviously writing in terms of its affect on Ferrari. The idea was, however, that the partnerships would be mutually beneficial.
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10 Sep 2005, 19:41 (Ref:1403884)
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Did the tyre failures at Turkey have any effect of Williams switching?
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10 Sep 2005, 19:46 (Ref:1403886)
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I think the decision was made before that. The Turkey problem was a car issue rather than a tyre one as I understood it. |
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10 Sep 2005, 20:22 (Ref:1403906)
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Toyota changed . probably also thinking ..if the BS tires are better it provides them an advantage over 5 top teams and only having to beat Ferrari on the same tires .
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10 Sep 2005, 21:47 (Ref:1403954)
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Hehe, and what about the Toyota failures at Indy?
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10 Sep 2005, 22:02 (Ref:1403963)
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I would say this is a good decision, because if they are talking about switching to a single supplier in the next couple of years it looks like it will be Bridgestone. Toyota and Williams will be in better shape having some experience with them before the change
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10 Sep 2005, 23:04 (Ref:1404002)
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I can't see Michelin giving Minardi the tyres unless they pay up the money they owe them from the last time they gave them some tyres - unless Dietrich has already sorted something out...
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10 Sep 2005, 23:19 (Ref:1404007)
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Quite. Whatever it is Red Bull could pay it off without much difficulty.
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10 Sep 2005, 23:25 (Ref:1404010)
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Regards Toyota, I always felt it was strange two Japanese companies didn't work together.
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10 Sep 2005, 23:35 (Ref:1404012)
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 Let's see... Cosworth engines for 2006 Bridgestone tires for 2006 Cosworth= Kevin Kalkoven & Gerry Forsythe Business Bridgestone= Champcar Supplier & Parthner Champcar= Kevin Kalkoven & Gerry Forsythe series What's next???, Sebastien Bourdais in a Williams F-1 car and Patrick Head designing the next generation Champcar??...  ...Just a Sarturday afternoon Joke...  Good weekend for all... |
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10 Sep 2005, 23:57 (Ref:1404020)
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I would have expected RBR-Ferrari to go to Bridgestone next year, strange I don't understand that one?
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