Two Cams Sanctioned Events - Same Weekend Same City

[Dasher]

How has Cams sanctioned two events on the same weekend at two tracks in the same city??

The next round of the Shannons Nationals series is scheduled to run on the 12th & 13th at Eastern Creek with the 1st round of the new IRS series also due to run on the 12th at Oran Park.

Only trouble is that the Shannons event has scheduled a round of their V8 Touring Cars to run as has the IRS series with the Touring Car Challenge class which both run the same cars.

I would have thought that the Shannons class being a National series would not be allowed by Cams to be programmed against by another series as they would have wanted as many cars as possible in their own class to showcase it to the punters.

Whats more, having two meetings in the same city on the same weekend is going to do absolute wonders for crowd numbers at either venue.

Now I am reliably informed that the Shannons class is withdrawn from the meeting because of lack of entrants, I wonder why?

Bloody Ridiculous, whoever let this happen should be terminated immediately.

[alfacors]

It's ridiculous. Still, the Eastern Creek weekend will be a far better showcase of racing regardless of whether the V8Touring class is present.

[BFC]

CAMS....money hungry bustards

[Uncle Cranker]

Originally Posted by BFC

CAMS....money hungry bustards

Almost.

The Us vs Them politics have controlled this.

Because Messers Dale & Wilmington are 'returning to the CAM$ fold(ing stuff)" is is obvious that a permit would be no problem......

If (read when) the IRS begins to struggle; (as previously mentioned in other threads) will CAM$ then offer discount rates, to keep them "in the fold".

I'm sure the promoters of the Shannon's Nationals, and State series organisers all over the eastern seaboard will love that.....


If any of this actually happens.......

[PVDA]

There has been clashes under CAMS since the Chariot races in Ben Hur and that was when they had exclusive control of the calendar.

Now that there are two sanctioning bodies the problem is still there infact there was a Shannons vs AMRC clash here in Victoria recently.

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by PVDA

There has been clashes under CAMS since the Chariot races in Ben Hur and that was when they had exclusive control of the calendar.

Now that there are two sanctioning bodies the problem is still there infact there was a Shannons vs AMRC clash here in Victoria recently.

That was at Phillip Island & Winton about 3 weeks ago but there were no classes that clashed and the tracks were about 350k's apart.

The Winton meeting, to the best of my knowledge was not sanctioned by Cams as you say, but by AASA via the Bob Jane AMC alliance.

We are talking about how Cams can sanction events at two tracks about 40k's apart in the same city on the same day.

[Bimmerhead]

Anybody call them to ask why? Or would some facts spoil the opportunity for a winge??

[Belly13]

What is the IRS series? By the way, I was going to Eastern Creek that weekend. Besides the V8 Touring Cars, were any other categories going to be affected? They wouldn't have got any more than 10 V8's anyway, IMO . Any opinions as to which meeting would be better?

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by Dasher

That was at Phillip Island & Winton about 3 weeks ago but there were no classes that clashed and the tracks were about 350k's apart.

The Winton meeting, to the best of my knowledge was not sanctioned by Cams as you say, but by AASA via the Bob Jane AMC alliance.

We are talking about how Cams can sanction events at two tracks about 40k's apart in the same city on the same day.

Now Dasher, being in Melbourne, I assume you realise that both events had a similar pool of competitors and officials. Both series run similar categories just different names cos CAMS would get upset if AASA used category names they consider theirs.

Just cos the two Victorian tracks are 200km apart (as the crow flies) and the two Sydney events are less than 40 apart doesn't means it's any less of a problem down here. We have the potential for 4 way clashes with 4 active circuits in operation within 200km of Melbourne (Calder, Winton, Sandown & PI), at least they will only have Eastern Creek & Wakefield to worry about soon up north

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by Belly13

What is the IRS series?

The IRS series is a group of people who ran the AMRS under CAMS, cracked it with CAMS and moved to the AASA and have now cracked it with the AASA and taken their bat & ball back to CAMS although the AMRS is now called the AMRC and still continues under AASA.

Confused, I am

[trogladyte]

Originally Posted by PVDA

The IRS series is a group of people who ran the AMRS under CAMS, cracked it with CAMS and moved to the AASA and have now cracked it with the AASA and taken their bat & ball back to CAMS although the AMRS is now called the AMRC and still continues under AASA.

Confused, I am

So who is funding the IRS meeting........i heard somewhere that group of people are/were very financially embaressed

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Now Dasher, being in Melbourne, I assume you realise that both events had a similar pool of competitors and officials.

Actually at those two meetings none of the classes really clashed with similar classes but Winton only got 3 classes,one of which was combined with another (SuperTT & Australian Touring Cars) and a total of 27 competitors across the whole lot, where as the Shannons PI meeting had about 180 competitors and some great racing for the spectators.

Two of the Australian Touring Cars at Winton blew up leaving one to race on his own so was awarded no points, is this the sort of racing we want to see, I dont think so?

What I am trying to get across is that the more series & promoters we have trying to make a quick buck the more the competitor pool is deleted and some will suffer badly and fold which happens more often than not with the competitor left holding the racecar which he no longer has a place to race it at.

Would the people want to pay and see a meeting like the Winton one or would they rather see fuller grids of cars and some great racing.

It will only happen if bodies like Camms in this instance stop sanctioning event against each other as above.

Nothing much can be done about opposing bodies like AASA & Cams events clashing, but within the same house it is ludicrous.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by Dasher

Would the people want to pay and see a meeting like the Winton one or would they rather see fuller grids of cars and some great racing.

It will only happen if bodies like Camms in this instance stop sanctioning event against each other as above.

Nothing much can be done about opposing bodies like AASA & Cams events clashing, but within the same house it is ludicrous.

I agree 100% but the Winton AMRC round "would've" had similar classes rather than combining things together if it wasn't for the clash with PI & outside interference encouraging people not to turn up.

If as GTR would say, it really happened

Oh, look 1400 posts.

[Trevor]

Why would CAMS give a fat rats clacker that there on 2 events on the same weekend in the same city, they are the sanctioning body, not the bloody promoter.

Why would they care or even try to stop it, they don't get the gate takings, just a sanctioning fee (oh and a slice of the fines - LOL)


MOVE ON - NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!!!

[NewsStalker]

Trev - it appears to be OK when you initiate or take part in a discussion if that topic has been done to death.

But when others do it, lately you start trying to wave the big stick.

INstead of the 'Move on' maybe it should be 'I'll just ignore it'....

Again the wrong side of the bed apparently!

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by Big_Trev

Why would CAMS give a fat rats clacker that there on 2 events on the same weekend in the same city, they are the sanctioning body, not the bloody promoter.

Why would they care or even try to stop it, they don't get the gate takings, just a sanctioning fee (oh and a slice of the fines - LOL)


MOVE ON - NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!!!

Trev,
Cams ARE the promoters of the Shannons National Series, it is there National series, thats why it seems crazy to me that they sanctioned another meeting against it.
If Cams aren't the promoter who is getting the thousands of dollars that is paid in category fees and other levies that the categories have to pay to Cams to be part of it, there not paid to Shannons or Bob Jane or AASA, there paid to the Cams National Series.

[alfacors]

As far as I know, CAMS only promoted the initial CAMS Nationals Series in 2006. Since then the Series has been separated and run on it's own.

[MPA]

Dasher, you might want to note that CAMS may not be the Promoter at all.

The program for the Shannon's National 2007 Phillip Island states; This event promoted and organised by the Phillip Island Auto Racing Club.

Have not seen this year's program but I'd be saying it would say the same thing.

IIRC, PIARC also promoted the two rounds in '06.

[NewsStalker]

Also keep in mind that a PROMOTER does not get any CATEGORY MANAGEMENT fees for any series - these two are completely separate (and the cause of many arguments since they were introduced!)

[Dasher]

Originally Posted by NewsStalker

Also keep in mind that a PROMOTER does not get any CATEGORY MANAGEMENT fees for any series - these two are completely separate (and the cause of many arguments since they were introduced!)

OK to all if you want to be absolute, I may have been slightly incorrect in saying that Cams is the promoter as such, what i meant was that the Shannons Series is still the same series that they set up and initially promoted as the Cams National Series.

It is still the same series but with a naming rights series sponsor up front.

[GT's screwed the pooch]

latest news on www.irace.net.au
I hope this is only a temporary position and they work through the differences with CAMS.
These competitors should now enter the Shannons series on at EC that weekend and all will be good....................

[PVDA]

To save clicking on the link in the post above here is what you end up reading.

http://www.irace.net.au/

It is with deep regret that we inform all our competitors and supporters that the July 12 Round 1 of the Independent Race Series will not proceed.

With over 80 entries received to date the series certainly looked promising. We were however informed last night by CAMS that “arrangements for the proposed Oran Park event on 12 July 2008 should be vacated”.

Politics in Motorsport are all too often present and in this instance we are unclear of the future of your series.

We thank each and every one of those that have shown support for our collective brand of Motorsport.

As developments unfold we will keep you informed.

Kindest Regards,

Garry Willmington - 0408 804 411

Rod Dale - 0412 785 486

[rms]

Originally Posted by GT's screwed the pooch

These competitors should now enter the Shannons series on at EC that weekend and all will be good....................

Trouble is there are no events for ex V8 supercars, Future Tourers, West sports cars, 2.5ltr Clubmans, F4000, F/Libre, etc - etc - etc

[Uncle Cranker]

Originally Posted by rms

Trouble is there are no events for ex V8 supercars, Future Tourers, West sports cars, 2.5ltr Clubmans, F4000, F/Libre, etc - etc - etc

Well there is actually a series that caters for almost all of those cars.....


It's called the AMRC.

Coming soon to a track near you !

[alfacors]

Originally Posted by rms

Trouble is there are no events for ex V8 supercars, Future Tourers, West sports cars, 2.5ltr Clubmans, F4000, F/Libre, etc - etc - etc

Actually, there's the Shannons V8Touring Cars which can accommodate Future Tourers (genuine ones, not ones built for the AMRS/AMRC), Group 3A Touring Cars (VP and EA/EB etc) which pre-date the V8Supercars.

What F4000s? How many ran last round? FLibre still run at State Level don't they? So too do the Clubmans.....