Classic Thunder regs.

Bunman · 29 Sep 2010, 18:40 (Ref:2766766)

Evening all,

I just wondered if someone could point me in the direction of the Technical regs for Classic Thunder?
I'm looking to do a couple of races next season but I'm not sure if the car would still be eligible for it although it is an ex Thundersaloon.
Regards
John.

mig · 29 Sep 2010, 19:01 (Ref:2766783)

Here you go

http://www.classictouringcars.com/re...under_BOSS.pdf

andy robinson · 29 Sep 2010, 19:57 (Ref:2766813)

I think an ex-thunder saloon would be more than welcome in the classic thunder, send Denis Bassom on here a pm he is our championship captain

I want to see grids of cars like this & older touring cars

Bunman · 29 Sep 2010, 22:37 (Ref:2766907)

Mig, cheers for the link.

Andy, I will drop Denis a pm.

Regards
John.

Al Weyman · 30 Sep 2010, 10:33 (Ref:2767058)

Unless its a spaceframe car then it wouldnt be in! Basically its similar to old Thundersaloon regs where the car had to have a recognisable steel shell not a plastic body popped on the top of a Lola F5000 or similar!

Bunman · 30 Sep 2010, 13:58 (Ref:2767154)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Unless its a spaceframe car then it wouldnt be in! Basically its similar to old Thundersaloon regs where the car had to have a recognisable steel shell not a plastic body popped on the top of a Lola F5000 or similar!

Hi Al, It's not spaceframed (main bodyshell is all steel) but it does have a transaxle however the regs say if the original car came with a transaxle then it's ok.

I'm racing it this weekend at a hillclimb (weather permitting ) but really looking forward to trying her on a Circuit or two next year.

I was hoping to get away with it this season but unfortunately a couple of Championship date changes locally put pay to that and I really wanted to try and win it outright this year (similar to Leaders Championship) with my 1300 Mk2 Escort.
Next year I will concentrate on the Honda a lot more, CT looks like really good fun.
Regards
John.

mig · 30 Sep 2010, 16:22 (Ref:2767267)

The ex Peter Thurston Prelude?

Bunman · 30 Sep 2010, 17:04 (Ref:2767293)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mig

The ex Peter Thurston Prelude?

Mig you are indeed correct

I've been gradually going through it to bring it back up to scratch and I've put back the Mampe/Zakspeed Capri esque Black,Red and Yellow livery it wore when Peter had it. (I always liked the Zakspeed Capri's)
I'm going to pop over to Loheiac for a test day in March just to get some time in the seat (It's a bit bigger than my Mk2 Escort )

andy robinson · 30 Sep 2010, 17:17 (Ref:2767301)

Sounds like classic Thunder will be best home for this car 2011

Bunman · 30 Sep 2010, 17:30 (Ref:2767308)

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy robinson

Sounds like classic Thunder will be best home for this car 2011

I think you are spot on there Andy, I've been Hillclimbing and Sprinting for 22 years so fancy doing something a bit different next season. I had a mooch at some of Joss's incar stuff and it looks like great fun!! And there seems to be a mutual respect for the machinery which is good.

graham bahr · 30 Sep 2010, 18:00 (Ref:2767328)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mig

The ex Peter Thurston Prelude?

more correct to say the ex rod birley prelude

http://www.rodbirley.com/Honda.htm

it woudl also be ok to run in the BARC se quaife intermarque series

Al Weyman · 30 Sep 2010, 18:49 (Ref:2767363)

Did a Honda Prelude have a transaxle??? I dont think they mean like front wheel drive gearbox and axle transaxle. Dont want to pour cold water on the idea but would advise putting it past committee first.

big andy · 30 Sep 2010, 19:27 (Ref:2767389)

al they were more than happy to have my mini on the grid so i can not see a problem with the prelude

greenamex2 · 30 Sep 2010, 19:32 (Ref:2767392)

Not sure why the transaxle thing is in the regs. I'll do a bit of investigation. I think people were worried about people fitting Hewland race transaxles and having to do a lot of re-engineering. Competition transaxles are much cheaper these days so possibly not so relevant nowadays.

Any input welcome.

Anyway, not a problem for the prelude cos it has a transaxle by the dictionary definition so it's fine.

Al Weyman · 30 Sep 2010, 19:38 (Ref:2767395)

Wasnt the idea that the engine and transmission stayed in the same end of the car like the original thunder saloons?

big andy · 30 Sep 2010, 21:14 (Ref:2767443)

no al thunder saloons could run transaxles but the engine had to be in the original position

Al Weyman · 1 Oct 2010, 07:55 (Ref:2767629)

Two points of contention with a very quick look then.

Engine. It must remain on the original side of the front and rear bulkheads and orientated as fitted in production. The Prelude doesnt conform to this.

5.9.5 Transaxles are prohibited unless fitted to the original standard model.
The Prelude has a racing transaxle fitted to the rear of the car, sorry but I think this is stretching things to call the original Prelude frontwheel drive 'transaxle' a transaxle in the context of these regs.

I am not trying to pour cold water on Bunmans aspirations for the car but think its fair to point these facts out to him before he progresses further and think this should be discussed at CTCRC committee level as to whether its outside the spirit and the actual regs or not. The bottom line is you do not want to upset existing drivers who have built cars that comply to these regs, stretching the points like this to let just one car in is what leads to the demise of these championships, trust me I know I have been there and have the T-shirt!

Here is details on the car in question. http://jonsibal.com/blog/2009/03/thundersaloon-prelude/

big andy · 1 Oct 2010, 08:36 (Ref:2767639)

i really dont think any of the current drivers would have a problem with this car AL all we need is a invention class for cars in the spirit of the championship but out side of the regs which could be quiet easily added for next year

Al Weyman · 1 Oct 2010, 08:50 (Ref:2767642)

That fine but needs to be added if the consensus is there, its why i raised the point that if it was changed it would have to go to committee level because currently it doesnt comply and could be protested or pulled up by the elligibility scrut even if the club allowed it in with the regs as they stand because they are lodged with the MSA and thats what the scruts will be working to. No one wants anyone to make plans then have them dashed because their car doesnt comply. Personally I would be wary of too much massaging of the regs this is when things can go astray especially as no doubt there are cars being built to the current regs but as I no longer race with CT its down to the committee not me.

big andy · 1 Oct 2010, 08:50 (Ref:2767643)

fair comment

Bunman · 1 Oct 2010, 09:02 (Ref:2767647)

Morning all, I think I may have misunderstood the remit of the CT classes, I was thinking that Classic Thunder was for Saloons that had originally run in the Thundersaloon championship?
I didn't realise it was for cars specifically built to the new regs to run in this series and I appologise if I've caused any problems.

To be honest it makes no odds to me either way as European venues welcome cars like this with open arms (and a cheaper stretch of water) but it would have been great to run the car with fellow Thundersaloon owners for a bit of fun instead of running on my todd, the last thing I want to do is upset the apple cart of what looks like a great series!

Regards
John

Bunman · 1 Oct 2010, 09:37 (Ref:2767655)

As Al has said as the regs stand the engine has to be in the same orientation as the original car which it isn't (it runs fore and aft) instead of transverse which throws it out but I have looked at defenitions of Transaxle which is-

"A transaxle is a major mechanical component that combines the functionality of the transmission, the differential, and associated components of the driven axle into one integrated assembly".

The regs do not differentiate as to type or make of Transaxle? and the Honda Prelude did have a Transaxle as standard.

Just out of interest does anyone have a copy of the Original Thundersaloon regs from the 90's.

Al Weyman · 1 Oct 2010, 10:30 (Ref:2767673)

Dont dismiss the prospect Bunman, just get it Ok'ed officially first thats all I was saying.

greenamex2 · 1 Oct 2010, 10:36 (Ref:2767675)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bunman

As Al has said as the regs stand the engine has to be in the same orientation as the original car which it isn't (it runs fore and aft) instead of transverse which throws it out but I have looked at defenitions of Transaxle which is-

"A transaxle is a major mechanical component that combines the functionality of the transmission, the differential, and associated components of the driven axle into one integrated assembly".

The regs do not differentiate as to type or make of Transaxle? and the Honda Prelude did have a Transaxle as standard.

Just out of interest does anyone have a copy of the Original Thundersaloon regs from the 90's.

The engine bit relates to the orientation of the engine in the car it was originally fitted in, NOT the orientation of the engine originally fitted to the car it is being fitted in.

And you are correct, the regs don't differentiate between types of transaxle so no problem.

So, no problem on both counts.

big andy · 1 Oct 2010, 11:05 (Ref:2767683)

there you go sorted!

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