Non winners

chunder · 10 Dec 2010, 18:34 (Ref:2802572)

Have been bored at work thiking about the best rider in any class nver to win a GP! Has to be a rider who ran for at leasta season, not just one off riders and people like haga who was never bothered with GP anyway!

Mirko Giansanti.
Shinichi Itoh, should have won a Suzuka at least!
Scott Russell
Niall Mackenzie
Mike Baldwin?
Randy de Puniet
John Hopkins
Ron Haslam

**gomick** · 10 Dec 2010, 20:35 (Ref:2802668)

Did Doug Chandler win a GP - maybe 1, cant get the brain working...

What about Joan Olive, he was mustve been awesome - has had a good bike for 6 or 7 years!

chunder · 10 Dec 2010, 23:02 (Ref:2802756)

I dont think Chandler did win, got a few podiums on Cagiva and Suzuki!

As for Olive I think he did win one, perhaps! But who cares, if he wasnt Spanish would have only ridden for two years!!

jhansen · 11 Dec 2010, 05:08 (Ref:2802820)

Colin Edwards? More of a superbike guy, but it's too bad he didn't win at least one GP.

chunder · 11 Dec 2010, 10:20 (Ref:2802886)

Well I kind of exclude him as he won two world championships!!

Dani Filth · 12 Dec 2010, 09:57 (Ref:2803196)

Randy de Puinet a non winner ??

he's won five 250 gps

chunder · 12 Dec 2010, 11:11 (Ref:2803213)

Oh bugger so he has! But was on a factory Aprilia so only counts as half!!

Andy77 · 12 Dec 2010, 15:03 (Ref:2803306)

Ralf Waldmann if you'd count his 500 gp carreer only

chunder · 12 Dec 2010, 16:10 (Ref:2803325)

Ralf hardly rode in 500's really, was a bit of a joke on the modenas!

Andy77 · 14 Dec 2010, 09:06 (Ref:2804243)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chunder

Ralf hardly rode in 500's really, was a bit of a joke on the modenas!

Heh yeah I have to agree. A couple more , probably seen through German glasses

:
Jürgen Fuchs
Sandro Cortese
Jonas Folger

And Tetsuya Harada, if you see his 500 GP achievements only
Scott Redding

chunder · 14 Dec 2010, 18:35 (Ref:2804451)

Redding has won a 125 race!!

Folger I dont think is made of the right stuff yet, but it only young of course

Fuchs had his chance in 96 as Ralfs team mate really.

Andy77 · 15 Dec 2010, 05:09 (Ref:2804608)

To me Folger is a do or die racer, who unfortunately dies too often at the moment. But I hope that this is due to his youth really.

I almost forgot about Reddings one GP win, you are right I have to admit.

When I saw the topic first, little Bradl came to mind, too but he has won already either.

What about 'Mr. Superbike' Peter Rubatto ?

chunder · 15 Dec 2010, 08:03 (Ref:2804623)

Blimey now you are talking about guys I dont know much about! I know he ran the UGT team that Manako and Sakata rode for!

But can't recall if he was any god.

I always remeber Jurgen vd Goorberg as someone who could have won on the right bike.

Did torrontegui win an 80cc race? I presume he did? Wakai never won in 125 did he before he sadly died and Nakajyo should have won won at Suauka at least, he knew his way round there perfectly in the snow!

One more... Debbia in 125? Did he win? Pettrucciani? Suter? Preining? All good handy pilots/ Jeandat? Bayle of course!!

Andy77 · 15 Dec 2010, 09:52 (Ref:2804650)

Well, Peter Rubatto was a splendid road racer who won Macau once even. Other than that he rode the international superbike series before the world superbike world championship came up. And he is still either team boss or mechanic currently associated with the MZ project, but I am not fully sure there. On a side note, Peters daughter Jasmin is (or was) the fiancee/wife to Audi DTM pilot Timo Scheider. But don`t take my word for it, i am not that up to date with latest gossip

I don't know much about japanese riders though. Steve Plater comes to mind in his World Endurance efforts so far

**gomick** · 15 Dec 2010, 10:13 (Ref:2804653)

Debbia, Petrucciani & Preining - no wins...

Jean P Ruggia - no 500 wins, 3 250 wins... Bout time a gun French rider was around again...
Another German fella, Jochen Schmid had 0 wins, Masao Shimizu 0 wins

HDTVKSS · 22 Mar 2011, 10:37 (Ref:2851099)

how bout Hopper? looked promising then jumped to kwaka at the worst time then performed the inevitable "GP to WSBK, hey where have all my electronics gone? oh look im going down the road on my head" trick.

chunder · 22 Mar 2011, 11:31 (Ref:2851141)

Iwould say in Hopkins defence that noone else really got that Suzuki going too well before or since.

He was unlucky at Kawasaki really, when he moved was about the time the huge Japanese crash happend and people like them, Suzuki, and Subaru dropped everything in motorsport, even Honda and Toyota.

I think he is a taent but was very unlucky with injury and also just being in teh wrong place at times. He was usually quicker than Kenny Jr on the Suzuki and he was a worthy world champ, so fopr me he is about the same level as Hayden, Dovi and Edwards, good enough to be in GP but not an alien!

He was staggeringly good on the brakes though, bit like Schwantz, and that is a huge weapon, ask Kevin, Martinez, Alzamora and Garriga

HDTVKSS · 22 Mar 2011, 11:58 (Ref:2851155)

Im hoping that Hopper gets a few races down in his stand in role, ive been looking forward to seeing him race again for ages!

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