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Formula One designs that didn't work
In the light of the apparent failure of the Mercedes there must be a long line of blind alleys over the years? Williams Walruss springs to mind
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The six wheeled car comes to mind.
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Here are a few cars that failed to perform to their teams expectations.
Starting with Lotus 56, 63, 76, 80, and 88. There maybe others as well. The Brabham Bt46 in its early form with surface cooling and the BT55. The Arrows A2, Mclaren M28 & MP18, Ferrari F92A & F93A. |
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To answer what I think was the OP's question - every car that came third in the WCC.
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The magnesium alloy sheet metal was, I believe, unusually reactive in the case of a fire. Although most of the cars of that era had poor safety measures for the fuel cells (or lack thereof) and there were other magnesium alloy cars in F1 and other categories at the time. IIRC, some say Surtees refused to race it because of the magnesium body while others say it was just because of the poor handling characteristics. Not sure. Also: should F1 bring back Indycar-style pit paddocks, with tents (or even just grass) that are truer to the name of a paddock? I'm no expert, but that front impact structure seems deficient! We have oil cooler, thin bulkhead and then feet. Yikes. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 10 Mar 2023 at 11:09. |
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McLaren MP4-18. Kept setting itself on fire so never saw a race weekend.
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That front exhaust system the Lotus car ran in about 2011...?
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I seem to remember reading that one of the reasons that the 6 wheeler did not succeed as the season went on was because the tyre company stopped improving the small tyres that this car used, but kept on improving the standard tyres used by all the other cars.
It was eventually outlawed. Along with the Brabham fan car, not a failure in my book. The Brabham "Skateboard" may also have been ahead of its time, with its low profile with the driver lying down, it was not a success IIRC. |
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March 711. Maybe not a failure - Peterson finished second in the Championship - more blind alley than failure with its teatray front wing
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Why did the drivers became placed more upright in the 1970's? Something about shortening wheelbases or aerodynamics at the time? |
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I don't recall stating that the Mercedes concept was wrong. What was remarkable about them winning a race when the championship had already been decided?
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I think the last few posts can be summed up by the term "perspective"
If Minardi had produced a concept that won a GP we'd call that a success. However, when the team is a team which dominated the last decade, and they finish third in the championship and only take a single win, we call that concept a failure. Mercedes won a race. But the concept was a failure - or certainly the execution of it so far. It's all about perspective. |
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