Interesting statistic regarding poles (not the lapdancing pole variety)

av8rirl · 3 Sep 2002, 20:21 (Ref:372437)

I was just checking out some stats at formula1.com

http://jsp.formula1.com/f1archives/i...=1&x=0&s=1&o=3

and it looks like there is someone who is currently racing but has a higher percentage of poles than current supremo Michael Schumacher. Can this be true? and up to date?

I thought it was interesting!!!

Red · 4 Sep 2002, 06:21 (Ref:372730)

Yes, it is true, but not up to date. Here's the stats after Spa.

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 		WDC	GP	Pts	Pts/race   Wins	Wins%	Poles	Poles%
Schumacher	5	176	923	5.24432    63	35.795	48	27.273
Montoya		0	31	74	2.3871     1	3.2258	9	29.032

Does anyone have any stats like : wins/pole or points/pole?

f1grandprixshop · 4 Sep 2002, 06:35 (Ref:372734)

it would be nice to have points for poles!

DNQ · 4 Sep 2002, 07:01 (Ref:372756)

Interesting, but I suppose the 1991 Jordan/Benetton, 1992 Benetton, 1993 Benetton and 1996 Ferrari, all of which weren't brilliant probably detract a bit from his %.

z2252314 · 4 Sep 2002, 08:12 (Ref:372803)

shame about the wins % for Juan though.

av8rirl · 4 Sep 2002, 08:15 (Ref:372806)

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Originally posted by z2252314
shame about the wins % for Juan though.

Yeh, thats cr&p... Hope he starts changing that particular stat.. I know we had this question a few months ago, but do you think MS can really beat Senna's record of 65 poles?

R · 4 Sep 2002, 09:12 (Ref:372834)

That's one record he will never beat. Trust me.

Legend · 4 Sep 2002, 09:44 (Ref:372865)

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Originally posted by R
That's one record he will never beat. Trust me.

And if he doesn't it means?

Man you are right, for example Schumacher won a race from 16 position on the grid Spa 1995, remember? That makes him a bad driver, because he had not have the pole there. Very bad Schumi, bad bad boy!
Schumacher is setting poles during the race it self! 10 times sometimes, they call them fastest laps!

But do not bet on that R, there are so few records Schumacher has not broken yet that you could count them almost with the fingers on one hand! He might break that as well!

Legend · 4 Sep 2002, 09:52 (Ref:372869)

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Originally posted by z2252314
shame about the wins % for Juan though.

Hehehehheheheehehehehehe

paulzinho · 4 Sep 2002, 10:52 (Ref:372918)

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Originally posted by R
That's one record he will never beat. Trust me.

And we all know that Senna would've had more and Schumi fewer.... and thats a fact, Senna put a relatively undriveable Williams on pole for the first 3 races of 1994, sadly the design improvements only came when it was too late....

PoweredByHonda · 4 Sep 2002, 12:10 (Ref:372972)

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Originally posted by DNQ
Interesting, but I suppose the 1991 Jordan/Benetton, 1992 Benetton, 1993 Benetton and 1996 Ferrari, all of which weren't brilliant probably detract a bit from his %.

Yes, but let's not forget the years Senna spent at Toleman and Lotus.

Red · 4 Sep 2002, 12:19 (Ref:372975)

That didn't help Michael's Schumacher to get more poles :confused: ... I guess...

Damon · 4 Sep 2002, 12:38 (Ref:372987)

To be honest though Red, schu should be embarrised that he hasn't put that car on pole every time this year.

Red · 4 Sep 2002, 12:44 (Ref:372994)

Uh-oh, he WAS. That's why he wanted 10 wins. ... and counting.

z2252314 · 4 Sep 2002, 12:54 (Ref:373004)

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To be honest though Red, schu should be embarrised that he hasn't put that car on pole every time this year.

Id be more concerned if my driver failed to win a race despite 5 straight poles. But then again, if he chose a supersoft tyre, I would sort of expect it.

P.S By the way, I think Juan "pole king" Montoya is now slower on average than Ralf in qualifying.

**Bononi** · 4 Sep 2002, 13:00 (Ref:373009)

Maybe TGF doesn't think the pole position is so important as Senna thought.

Or

The cars today have better setups for the race.

av8rirl · 4 Sep 2002, 14:21 (Ref:373073)

I'll cry if he beats that one last record.

Legend · 4 Sep 2002, 14:29 (Ref:373077)

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Originally posted by Red
Uh-oh, he WAS. That's why he wanted 10 wins. ... and counting.

Only ten? There are more to come! I hope he never should have another pole but win all he races he drives! Not a single pole!

Red · 4 Sep 2002, 14:31 (Ref:373078)

Hmmm.... good point. And that will solve the "lack of overtakings" problem!

R · 4 Sep 2002, 15:04 (Ref:373087)

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Originally posted by av8rirl
I'll cry if he beats that one last record.

He won't. TGF's strength is not the ultra fast qualifying lap - his biggest strength is in the races. Senna, naturally, was a better qualifier, and I would also rate Hakkinen and Montoya as better than TGF over one qualifying lap. That doesn't mean TGF is not fast in qualifying, because all the stats prove that he is, just that some others are faster. TGF is more like Prost in that respect - very fast, and yet very controlled. But better in the races than in qualifying, so it's not surprising that Montoya has a better pole percentage.

Even if the rival teams are usually nowhere near the Ferraris in the races,- in qualifying, especially Williams, but also McLaren, have been quite close, and better, on occasions. I expect this trend to continue (hopefully improve for the sake of competition) over the next couple of years, so IMO 10-12 more poles for TGF in his career.

TGF usually has better race machinery than qualifying machinery. The exception was 1996 - that car was fast, as he set four poles with it, but it was a bomb. Three brilliant drives from TGF gave him three wins that year, but I think (without having checked the statistics, just from memory) it was the only year where he scored more poles than wins.

Legend · 4 Sep 2002, 15:14 (Ref:373089)

Red, in another thread where people asked how many times Schumacher had overtaken this season and I said at least 6 times jokingly, do you know what I mean?

Red · 4 Sep 2002, 15:16 (Ref:373092)

Legend · 4 Sep 2002, 16:29 (Ref:373119)

**Bononi** · 4 Sep 2002, 17:25 (Ref:373138)

Still listening to Modern Talking, Legend ?

Legend · 4 Sep 2002, 18:54 (Ref:373207)

Please explain the "Modern Talking" joke so we both can have a laugh, Bononi!

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