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16 Dec 2002, 14:01 (Ref:451141)
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The Passing of a Demi God
At the 1982 Austrian Grand Prix at Osterreichring, Colin Chapman tossed his cap to the skies in celebration of an F1 victory for the last time.
Elio de Angelis soared to victory from the Williams of Keke Rosberg on that day in mid-August; but Champman's death from a heart attack just a few months later was a surprise to everyone. He died on the 16th of December; exactly 20 years ago today. One of the great team owners, he stood over the famous Lotus Racing name and brought drivers like Clark, Hill, Rindt, Peterson, Andretti, Mansell, Fittipaldi, Moss and Senna to Formula One victory. |
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16 Dec 2002, 14:06 (Ref:451148)
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16 Dec 2002, 14:17 (Ref:451156)
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Mansell is pushing it as well...
But that's not the point, Chapman was behind some of the most brilliant cars in F1 history, I wonder what'd he think of the current tech regs that leave little room for inspiration. |
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16 Dec 2002, 15:36 (Ref:451201)
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The notion as to the technical regulations is oneI'd be itnerested to know, he would probably hate today's cars, as one of the most brilliant techncial minds ever and also, unusuall, linked it with geat business sense and a pioneering advertising approach. A truly great man.
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16 Dec 2002, 16:21 (Ref:451228)
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Yeah, a great man.
He reminds us of how Formula One should be the top category in motorsport... |
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16 Dec 2002, 17:08 (Ref:451251)
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"ignorantia legis neminem excusat"
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16 Dec 2002, 17:24 (Ref:451263)
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RIP Graham...
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"And the most important thing is that we, the Vettels, the Bernies, whoever, should not destroy our own sport by making stupid comments about the ******* noise." - Niki Lauda
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16 Dec 2002, 17:58 (Ref:451285)
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That's so frickin uncool man!
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16 Dec 2002, 18:17 (Ref:451298)
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Hill?
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16 Dec 2002, 18:52 (Ref:451314)
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Ahahaha... Graham Chapman from Monty Python... I of course meant to say Colin... But rest in peace to both of them...
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"And the most important thing is that we, the Vettels, the Bernies, whoever, should not destroy our own sport by making stupid comments about the ******* noise." - Niki Lauda
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16 Dec 2002, 19:16 (Ref:451326)
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He didn't exactly build reliable cars though
Jochen Rindt died when his Lotus broke, probably the same for Jim Clark. Graham Hill broke his legs in a Lotus, Ronnie Peterson too. But... When his cars held together, they were marvellous Winners are Senna, Elio de Angelis, Jochen Rindt, Graham hill, moss, clark, petersen, fittipaldi, andretti and more in club motorsports |
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16 Dec 2002, 19:20 (Ref:451329)
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if anyone thought Hill meant Damon Hill, yur wrong, it was his dad Graham
Senna did win in lotus, once in '85, once or twice in '86, and a few times in '87 Mansell however never won a race in a lotus, the closest he came was at a wet Monaco in 1984, but he crashes when he was pulling away from Prost, who won, with Senna hot on his heels. Even hotter on both their heels was Stefan Bellof |
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16 Dec 2002, 19:31 (Ref:451342)
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16 Dec 2002, 20:17 (Ref:451361)
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Alright alright Speed, so I had some brain flatulence...
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"And the most important thing is that we, the Vettels, the Bernies, whoever, should not destroy our own sport by making stupid comments about the ******* noise." - Niki Lauda
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16 Dec 2002, 21:01 (Ref:451383)
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Did Stirling ever drive in F1 for Colin? :confused:
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16 Dec 2002, 22:21 (Ref:451448)
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Amazingly Stirling drove only for Rob Walker - Coopers and Lotuses (apart from Mercedes and all sorts of Brittish "cars")and not for the works team.
He suffered career-ending injuries in a Lotus 21 proving pirenzo's point that Colin's cars were too fragile. May be that's why Lotus is not my favourite brand of F1 cars. |
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17 Dec 2002, 03:23 (Ref:451562)
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Colin Chapman, maker of the most perfect car ever ... The Lotus 79.
Will we ever see his like again. |
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"If we won all the time, we'd be as unpopular as Ferrari, and we want to avoid that. We enjoy being a team that everybody likes." Flavio Briatore
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17 Dec 2002, 04:47 (Ref:451579)
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Unfortunately, no, as designers such as he are no longer seen in F1, and the rules are so constrained that freedom of expression in car design is rarely seen.
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17 Dec 2002, 06:07 (Ref:451594)
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Hey!! Remember when he first started those weird high wings on long thin struts that used to fall off?
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18 Dec 2002, 07:36 (Ref:452429)
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Valve, Brabham and Ferrari used them first
 But Colin had them on his cars pretty quickly... |
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18 Dec 2002, 13:08 (Ref:452627)
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I remember reading somewhere about a firewall in one of his Lotus F1 cars being no thicker than baking foil to reduce the weight, bugger safety as long as it looks alright!!!!
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A trip to Le Mans was indeed a trip to Mecca for many - until it was undertaken thier lives somehow incomplete.
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18 Dec 2002, 13:57 (Ref:452667)
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Despite my query re Senna, I agree with the sentiments here.
You should all try and get hold of a copy of Jabby Crombac's excellent book on Colin Chapman. I've read it 4-5 times, it really is very good. |
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18 Dec 2002, 14:46 (Ref:452706)
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If he was still alive I bet he would have been pushing the boundaries wherever he thought he could get away with it. 
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