Aero result.

V8 Fan · 30 Jan 2003, 03:12 (Ref:490150)

Quote from Matt @ V8Central.

"In M News (no.249), aero testing has revealed that Holden may keep its front downforce by mounting the radiator on a different angle and that this could change after the tests have concluded. Over to you Ford.... "

V8 Fan · 30 Jan 2003, 03:13 (Ref:490151)

May I suggest that all Ford supporters email AVESCO with their concerns about this matter. Go to www.v8supercars.com.au and click on "have your say".

30 Jan 2003, 05:27 (Ref:490191)

Should rename it the Ford Wingers Forum

RaceTime · 30 Jan 2003, 06:04 (Ref:490203)

Is this now becoming simply a clearing ground for other forums to have their threads and comments repeated on?

Crash Test · 30 Jan 2003, 06:16 (Ref:490213)

Quite possibly- Tricky, if you want to say something, why not put it into your own words instead of cutting and pasting from elsewhere?

Crash Test · 30 Jan 2003, 06:17 (Ref:490214)

And White Knight- we don't exactly have anything to be happy about, and haven't had anything since Henry Ford quit after one race meeting! Ok, that might be stretching it slightly...

toploader · 30 Jan 2003, 06:50 (Ref:490240)

white knight why wouldn`t we be having a say went the whole class is devoted to holden winning.Lets see idiot 94 and Bowie just wins the championship oww no can`t have that penalize the fords before bathurst,97 Seton wins championship on consistantcy and less wins than hrt but lets again penalize the fords before the 1000,it seems like holden give more to $$$$$ to the powers that be and have to get looked after.There`s my winge spastic....

moffman · 31 Jan 2003, 01:10 (Ref:491225)

Actually Toploader Bowe was champ in '95 they won Bathurst in '94.The parity adjustment happened twice before Bathurst in '95.As for the dollars argument their political machine is much more potent than ours

Pure GT · 31 Jan 2003, 03:07 (Ref:491303)

I thought Whinger was spelt with an 'H'.
I'm not a Ford winger

31 Jan 2003, 03:21 (Ref:491320)

We haven't even seen the new race cars. They haven't turned a wheel but the FF (Ford Flips) have already got their bag of excuses ready . . . "Holden/AVESCO blah blah blah . . . " Really if they didn't spend so much of 2002 running into each other it could have been a far better result for the blue oval.

Besides no matter what you do to it . . . its still a Ford.

Crash Test · 31 Jan 2003, 05:14 (Ref:491384)

OK people, why don't we wait until the silly season finishes, and the moaning season starts up in full

moffman · 31 Jan 2003, 15:35 (Ref:491955)

Quote:

Originally posted by White Knight
We haven't even seen the new race cars. They haven't turned a wheel but the FF (Ford Flips) have already got their bag of excuses ready . . . "Holden/AVESCO blah blah blah . . . " Really if they didn't spend so much of 2002 running into each other it could have been a far better result for the blue oval.

Besides no matter what you do to it . . . its still a Ford.

I thought this forum was for intelligent species could I be mistaken?:confused:

Falcadore · 31 Jan 2003, 16:50 (Ref:492027)

Who are you calling intelligent!!!?!?!?

<be-aaaarp>

rocket · 1 Feb 2003, 03:08 (Ref:492594)

white knight, if the shoe was on the other foot you would be whinging too. every year when a ford team has done well the powers that be have penalised all the fords, seton in 93 & 97, bowe in 95, then when the AU was introduced holden through a tantrum over the original aero kit & it was disallowed, yet here we have a situation where a holden team have dominated for 5 years & nothing is done & holden couldnt meet the required downforce figures for the VY so the chop the fords rear wing, now the radiator situation...
us ford supporters have had a gut full with holden getting everything its own way, that is why we are so PI**ED OFF

maybe oneday you holden supporters will see past your own noses & reckognise these facts

rocket · 1 Feb 2003, 03:11 (Ref:492596)

oh & before you holden supporters start going on how its only hrt that have been doing so well remember it was only the peter jackson team in 93, the shell team in 95 & seton on his own in 97 that were doing any good

racer69 · 1 Feb 2003, 05:05 (Ref:492622)

In 1993 Ford ran 1-2-3-4 in the championship, Seton from Jones, Bowe and Johnson. In 1995 it came down to the final round between Bowe and Seton both in Fords, and in 1997 it was between Seton and Bowe in Fords and Ingall in a Holden at the last round.

Conrod Kieron · 1 Feb 2003, 07:53 (Ref:492662)

Quote:

Originally posted by racer69
In 1993 Ford ran 1-2-3-4 in the championship, Seton from Jones, Bowe and Johnson. In 1995 it came down to the final round between Bowe and Seton both in Fords, and in 1997 it was between Seton and Bowe in Fords and Ingall in a Holden at the last round.

Yep, and '93 Holdens received a mid year change in time for Bathurst that made them nearly 2 secs quicker than the Falcon.

95 Holdens again received a mid year change.

Can't recall any 97 parity adjustments at the moment.

Balance that with how quickly Ford have received a parity adjustment and the scales would break.

StuiE · 1 Feb 2003, 08:03 (Ref:492667)

Quote:

Originally posted by rocket
white knight, if the shoe was on the other foot you would be whinging too. every year when a ford team has done well the powers that be have penalised all the fords, seton in 93 & 97, bowe in 95, then when the AU was introduced holden through a tantrum over the original aero kit & it was disallowed, yet here we have a situation where a holden team have dominated for 5 years & nothing is done & holden couldnt meet the required downforce figures for the VY so the chop the fords rear wing, now the radiator situation...
us ford supporters have had a gut full with holden getting everything its own way, that is why we are so PI**ED OFF
maybe oneday you holden supporters will see past your own noses & reckognise these facts

Dude, It's HRT that is the 'Problem' not Holden, take HRT/TWRA out of the equation and it's all square. (how may times does that need to be said?, seriously)

William Dale Jr · 1 Feb 2003, 08:12 (Ref:492670)

I made up a list of the parity adjustments made to both brands since the inception of the category, I think it's in the 'Parity' thread, but I could be wrong. A few things could be missing, but anyone who's interested might want to have a look anyway.

pete55 · 1 Feb 2003, 08:16 (Ref:492671)

How many times does it need to be said that when Fords were adjusted in the past it was only one team winning then too. And i'm a holden fan.

moffman · 1 Feb 2003, 09:30 (Ref:492714)

Quote:

Originally posted by racer69
In 1993 Ford ran 1-2-3-4 in the championship, Seton from Jones, Bowe and Johnson. In 1995 it came down to the final round between Bowe and Seton both in Fords, and in 1997 it was between Seton and Bowe in Fords and Ingall in a Holden at the last round.

I think Brocky was in with a shot in '95 from memory.

moffman · 1 Feb 2003, 09:33 (Ref:492717)

I also seem to recall Murphy had the fastest car by a mile in '97 & would have one the championship at a canter if someone in HRT had not messed around with the driveline

racer69 · 2 Feb 2003, 03:41 (Ref:493463)

Quote:

Originally posted by moffman
I think Brocky was in with a shot in '95 from memory.

From memory i'm pretty sure you are right, he had an outside chance at least at the final round.

moffman · 2 Feb 2003, 17:31 (Ref:493925)

Quote:

Originally posted by racer69
From memory i'm pretty sure you are right, he had an outside chance at least at the final round.

Outside chance?He was only 14 points behind Bowe & 4 in front of Seton before Oran Park

pete55 · 2 Feb 2003, 21:25 (Ref:494153)

If Holden move the position of the radiator after the tests were completed to increase downforce wouldn't they be committing a breach of the rules in some way. After all the test was conducted to achieve parity and parity applies for the whole season, not just the aero test session.

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