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8 May 2003, 15:19 (Ref:593622) | #1 | ||||
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An old hand answers one of those questions that keep on popping up here...
I've just read the weekly update on Autosport.com of their "ask Nigel" feature and spied this ever interesting question.
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8 May 2003, 18:27 (Ref:593833) | #2 | ||
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"Schumacher has never been put to the test, in that sense..."
Very true. I don't think Schumacher, Villeneuve, Hakkinen and Hill (late 90's) equals Senna, Prost, Mansell and Piquet (80's). Now let's see who is the quartet of the 00 decade. Schumacher plus Alonso and Raikkonen? |
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8 May 2003, 18:37 (Ref:593848) | #3 | ||
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Seeing as there are 7 years to go in the 00 decade Schu may not be part of the quartet at all. Kimi and Alonso though certainly. They have talent and age on their side.
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8 May 2003, 18:49 (Ref:593855) | #4 | ||
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Well, I doubt either Kimi or Alonso are going to claim 3 WDCs in the next 7 years, let alone 3 in a row, so in fairness (can't believe I'm saying this!!!) MS will have to be one of any quartet you name...
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8 May 2003, 20:42 (Ref:593966) | #5 | ||
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Old hand..... i thought that we were talking about Wrex!
Jo Ramirez has the same feelings about when Senna's career would have ended. I reckon he would have won the WDC's in 94 and 95 then called it a day. |
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Jordi, I'd say that if JPM and Alonso are in the Ferraris, and Kimi and Webber in the McLarens, after the BIG shakeup due to come in '05, we'll have a hell of a battle for the second half of the decade. PLEASE may it happen! |
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8 May 2003, 22:03 (Ref:594027) | #7 | ||
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Fascinating! Senna was a man of great contradictions. Compare the warmth at the greeting of Fangio with the cold calculations that reasoned it was OK to knock Prost off the track. Interesting. Schumacher did the a very similar thing when he bumped a wall in (can't remember), deranged his car and still came back on the track and crashed Hill. But, witness Schumacher's breakdown when he broke Senna's win record. Strange and complex people...
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8 May 2003, 22:46 (Ref:594061) | #8 | ||
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I remember reading in a paper just after Senna had died, that he'd phoned his partner the morning of that fateful race to say he was ready to retire.
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8 May 2003, 23:39 (Ref:594084) | #9 | ||
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And Adriane Galisteu said to him "You're strong, you're going to make it". Didn't Sid Watkins talk to him about not racing and Ayrton say "I can't stop, I have to do it" or something like that?
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9 May 2003, 01:53 (Ref:594122) | #10 | ||
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Yeah i read something else about how he, being very religious, had a premonition the night before that he was going to die. Definately some eerie stuff.
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9 May 2003, 02:32 (Ref:594133) | #11 | ||
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Geez, that made for some enthralling read! Thanks for bringing that piece to our attention Damon. The discussion and Nigel’s comments reminded me of a quote from a Matt Bishop interview in F1 Racing with Ron Dennis two or three years back. Dennis was convinced that Ayrton would have finished his career in a McLaren. What do you guys think of that theory? Ayrton back in a McLaren in 1997?? (Can anyone find the quote from Dennis…I cant find that issue in my collection!!)
And Bernie’s little quote “Schumacher has never been put to the test, in that sense...” struck a cord within me because it is so true when you look at it in the light of day. Compared to Ayrton, Michael hasn’t been pushed nearly as hard. It also reminded me of another racing duel that was tragically cut short before it reached its pinnacle. Steward and Clark. Sure, that raced against each other (1965 through early 1968) but not (for one reason or another) on the level that was foreseeable in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s. Interesting stuff. |
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9 May 2003, 09:32 (Ref:594303) | #12 | ||
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As for the next quartet,
I think it'll be: Raikkonen, Alonso, JPM, Webber. However, thse guys could prove exciting with some luck: Wilson, Sato. |
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9 May 2003, 10:06 (Ref:594341) | #13 | |
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Senna truly understood the history of F1 and his place in it, hence his respect for Fangio. His intellect is widely documented so the significance of Fangio's cornerstone 5 WDCs would not be lost to him.
I believe that had Senna lived he would: (a) have taken the 94 WDC (b) not be sitting "on a beach"- he was too committed to life itself to spend his doing nothing (c) have wanted to reach the 5 WDC mark then beat it and retire. Let's face it, Senna had "the best car" perhaps twice in his career 1988/89 and for the remainder, his gift of "total recall" on set up/quals got him through, coupled with cold tyre genius and straight-out aggression on 1st laps, gapping the field and "breaking their hearts" 100+ poles though. |
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9 May 2003, 13:06 (Ref:594530) | #14 | ||
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I agree that Senna would've wanted 5 titles but no more. He was never willing to compare himself to past drivers, although he strongly beleived that Fangio was far greater than himself or anyone else.
I think the 1990 McLaren was also the best, and in 1991 he had enough of a early-season reliability advantage over Mansell's Williams, while Ferrari imploded as they periodicially seem to. But he still did well to win 3 titles up against Prost, Mansell and Piquet for so long. |
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9 May 2003, 13:20 (Ref:594553) | #15 | ||
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This is all interesting. But that "premonition" thing is strange to me. He actually phoned to Adriane, but not saying that he was ready to retire.
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10 May 2003, 10:34 (Ref:595244) | #16 | |
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It was a Golden Era in the late 80s/early 90s.
4 top drivers in different cars. If anything, Senna pushed HIMSELF harder than any team mate ever could. I believe it was a personal discovery thing for him a lot of the time. B E's statement about MS not being tested to the same degree by inter-team dynamics is fascinating. It's also somewhat true. |
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