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9 Oct 2003, 17:18 (Ref:745482) | #1 | ||
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King Of Kents 2004 Details Out
Details for King Of Kents 2004 ,I have a copy, email me and i will copy you a set jadlam.racing@btinternet.com
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9 Oct 2003, 22:36 (Ref:745761) | #2 | ||
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Jon,
If they don't want to email you, they can wait for the BRSCC's eagerly awaited press release. This is intended to make next weeks comics. It might get a small mention if Schumi doesn't stub his toe getting out of the shower [2 page colour with quotes from the world and his wife], or some F Renault hopeful doesn't get half a page bemoaning his having to pull out from Team A with budgetary problems, only to take his "non budget" to Team B for an all out assault on the Winter Series, where he will still finish next to last anyway, but still be catching the eye of the F3 teams for 2004 as he looks promising [has access to a Scholarship budget] |
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10 Oct 2003, 13:09 (Ref:746286) | #3 | ||
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Ive got the press release, which covers KOK, Zetec and Formula Ford in general for 2004.
Im anyone would like it, the pm me your email, and I will forward to you. Save John's postage costs! |
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10 Oct 2003, 15:03 (Ref:746398) | #4 | ||
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Any chance of posting the press release on the board or a URL.
I am sure a lot of people would love to see what it says. Didn't notice your name in the early program Justin. you still entered into the KOK ? |
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10 Oct 2003, 15:39 (Ref:746422) | #5 | ||
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It is, heat 2 no.21!
Will try and post! |
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10 Oct 2003, 15:40 (Ref:746424) | #6 | ||
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Here it is:
PRESS RELEASE Wednesday 8th October – For immediate release BRSCC announces Formula Ford reforms The British Racing & Sports Car Club has today announced changes for Club level Formula Ford racing. Currently there are 4 regional championships for Kent 1600cc cars plus the Northern/Southern Championship for 1800cc Zetec engined models, all of which operate to a different set of Sporting and Technical Regulations. The new 2004 proposals for the regulations will be common to all club level championships, which will include the 4 existing successful regional FF1600 championships plus a club level Zetec Championship. BRSCC Competitions Manager John Ward commented “The reasons behind these changes are numerous. However the advantage for the competitor is that they will register for the championship and be able to enter races and score points in any of the divisions for which their car is eligible. This then makes it possible for drivers to concentrate on their local division or move around the country to participate at many different circuits of their choice. This new initiative will suit competitors with varying budgets to compete in competitive motorsport.” Ward continues “This new format will also allow a King of the Kent’s Championship to be run within the divisions & special stand-alone events.” To be eligible for the King of the Kent’s Championship, drivers will count their best 8 scores from the regional divisions with no more than 3 scores from any one division being counted. In addition to these drivers would also count scores from the special stand-alone events, which will include a repeat of the successful Thruxton race, Castle Combe Carnival and culminating in the King of the Kent’s event at the Formula Ford Festival. Castle Combe FF1600 Championship Co-ordinator Steve Burns has been appointed to oversee the project and will act as the Central Co-ordinator. Burns commented “By having a central registration process and standard regulations, we have removed the administrative barriers which currently make competing in more than one championship difficult. This should encourage more competitors onto the grid and produce a King of the Kent’s Champion, which several drivers have expressed an interest in.” Details of the class structure and points system are contained in the table below, or for further information please contact; Steve Burns BRSCC 35 Kings Hill Avenue West Malling Kent ME19 4RR Direct tel. 07701 004694 Direct fax. 01249 460149 Email. steve@brscc.co.uk |
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10 Oct 2003, 15:44 (Ref:746427) | #7 | ||
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There is also a structure table thing which can't pst, pm me if you would like that too, it just outlines classes, c'chips etc.
The changes to rules is likely to include: 500kg minamum weight uncluding driver and alluminium calipers and shocks will be permitted.(sorry JNWRF01!) Remote reservoirs, floating discs, and carbon mettalic pads will still be illegal. THis is straight from Steve Burns' mouth! Last edited by JustinDawkins; 10 Oct 2003 at 15:46. |
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10 Oct 2003, 15:47 (Ref:746430) | #8 | ||
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interesting - then it only really help 99/2000 spec V-d Zetec conversions..2001 have floating discs....why bother chaning the regs...
Oh well - atleast my car is on the weight limit even if I am not!! Good news alround. See you FF1600 boys at Silverstone - be careful when you lap me!! |
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10 Oct 2003, 15:53 (Ref:746437) | #9 | ||
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Yeah be careful guys, the track on the those Zetecs are pretty wide, abd they are easy to hit!
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10 Oct 2003, 17:01 (Ref:746516) | #10 | ||
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slightly annoying if the cost of alluminium calipers and shocks is a lot more than current.
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10 Oct 2003, 17:56 (Ref:746575) | #11 | ||
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Why do they have to change regs leave them alone.
What it will mean £500 minimum on callipers.Giving more of an advantage to the newer cars which will be converted cheaper.If people want to convert cars they should have to pay the extra,why should every kent owner have to update their car to keep up. |
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10 Oct 2003, 18:22 (Ref:746599) | #12 | ||
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John,
nice to see this commment from someone who has converted a few cars. your own cars, Ed moores car, and Gavin Wills caar proves they are ultra competative in Kent format, why change that ? |
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10 Oct 2003, 18:36 (Ref:746606) | #13 | ||
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If you allow these changes this will make the newer cars (mine)even quicker.at the moment,i think we all agree they are driven by the best drivers,there is not enough difference in performance that a good driver can overcome in a rf90 or swift 92.Look at the state of JH car how many races has that won.
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10 Oct 2003, 18:37 (Ref:746609) | #14 | ||
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NOT including me!!!!!!!!
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10 Oct 2003, 18:47 (Ref:746613) | #15 | ||
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I have converted 6 cars now ,but don't panic 4 have left for Aus & NZ.
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10 Oct 2003, 19:17 (Ref:746632) | #16 | ||
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the current situation is good.
Everyone is talking about the RF00's and how much easier they are, yet JH comes along and puts on a good show and it makes great racing. I just understand why anyone would want to change that. At the moment the driver can make the difference, but sooner or later it will be "no driver can beat that car" |
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10 Oct 2003, 22:49 (Ref:746788) | #17 | ||
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I always thought the regs were the Ford Motor Company issue so why are the club changing them?
Shouldn't we be encouraging the majority of FF1600 cars to be competitive or are we interested now in the shiny new cars only? If we take a vote on slicks, can we start to use them? |
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10 Oct 2003, 23:52 (Ref:746824) | #18 | ||
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Thats an interesting point, I didn't think the rules could be changed as it was Ford rules. Althought I am still really new at all this.
I really see no need to change the rules, the older cars run well, the new/current cars run well, very equal. I have seen great racing this year. |
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13 Oct 2003, 08:18 (Ref:749154) | #19 | ||
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The reason for the propsed change is that the BRSCC think they will alienate the combe guys from KOK because they run different regs. Aparently they represet 50% of registered FF1600 competitors, so on that basis it would seem a good idea.
However, I might be wrong, but only about 50% of these people actually run "coombe" regs (ally suspension, calipers), so in fact there are only alienating a few, and p****** off the others! |
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13 Oct 2003, 09:00 (Ref:749194) | #20 | ||
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Sorry you are wrong there Justin. At Castle combe we run to Formula Ford Regs as issued by Ford Motor Co ,no alloy callipers ,dampers.Its the SFFC regs that allow them look at their grid sizes this year! When we raced there last season i was not aware of anyone running them.Some one has put this stupid idea to the BRSCC, Why? Perhaps they sell the dampers and callipers that 100 plus kents drivers may change!!!!!!!!!!
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13 Oct 2003, 09:04 (Ref:749199) | #21 | ||
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Sorry John - facts wrong! Steve Burns has con fused me!;
The Technical Regulations are still being finalised, but the only descrepencies between the regions is the allowing of alloy brake callipers and shock absorbers, which are used at Castle Combe and the Southern Championship. As this accounts for around half of the total registered drivers (approx. 200 across all 4 regions) then it will most likely be included. A lot of drivers have also asked for a minimum weight limit of about 500kg to include both the car and driver, and we are looking at including this. Other than this there will be no other changes. Regards, Steve. |
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13 Oct 2003, 09:15 (Ref:749206) | #22 | ||
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I have a copy of Castle Combe regs for 2003 . it states "The CASTLE COMBE ff1600 Championship is for competitors participating in Formula Ford cars, which comply with the Regulations issued by the Ford Motor Company" No other amendments.
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13 Oct 2003, 09:20 (Ref:749210) | #23 | |
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Alloy cased dampers ain't gonna make a lot of differenec are they.
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13 Oct 2003, 10:50 (Ref:749312) | #24 | ||
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JR - if they insist on no remote resevoirs then the whole thing can get uneccesarily expensive. You are better allowing free dampers and letting people run the Zetec 2-way adjustable Eibach/Ohlins/Penske's etc etc....The dampers so make a big difference - but they take a lot of work to get them right - why bother. Just make everyone run standard Bilsteins (or similar) nothing trick or fancy and away you go. Changes these regs will benefit nobody.
If yo are going to allow free dampers etc - why no ally wheels etc etc... |
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13 Oct 2003, 12:24 (Ref:749450) | #25 | |
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Not only that, it goes against the spirit and history of FF 1600.
And what about the tyre regs - They want to change those as well. That means different ratios, different setups and different ride hieghts. This sounds to me like someone coming up with an idea to justify their existence. I think its being proposed in order to make it easier to flog off some zetec cars and prop up their shrinking resale values. |
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