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Old 10 Jan 2004, 16:39 (Ref:833621)   #1
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new mclaren too cramp for kimi, dc and wurz

http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=25714&s=5

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Old 10 Jan 2004, 16:50 (Ref:833626)   #2
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Good grief.....

That's it then, McLarens season has been hampered beyond all chance of success.......
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Old 10 Jan 2004, 17:23 (Ref:833639)   #3
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Re: new mclaren too cramp for kimi, dc and wurz

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yes indeed roll on Melbourne but what are you suggesting mansellmania? You post a link to a story and then leave a remark like that, what exactly is your point?
I am sure McLaren will have a problem like this sorted before the 1st race, after all that is what testing is all about.
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Old 10 Jan 2004, 17:26 (Ref:833641)   #4
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This was mentioned a while back and from what I understand it is a simple resdesign. The main issue I suspect would of been height but Wurzs is okay in that direction. Widening the cockpit should not prove to much of a headache for a team like McLaren and let's not forget they have had this before to a greater degree in 1995 with Mansell.
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Old 10 Jan 2004, 17:40 (Ref:833652)   #5
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The article did suggest that a simple redevelopment of the drivers seats might rectify the problem.
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Old 10 Jan 2004, 17:43 (Ref:833653)   #6
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MAc probably have enough time to get it fixed...
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Old 10 Jan 2004, 18:22 (Ref:833670)   #7
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Well a few weeks ago it was said a simple refitting of the fireextinguiser would solve the problem.

Now its a few weeks further and DC and kimi both got hurt doesnt tell me its an easy fix of a problem and that it also doesnt really relate to a fireextinguiser.

I remember 1995 and the problem was known then too and took several months to rectify.

Anyone remember what mclaren said back then?

To be honest i doubt they will have this problem come melbourne.
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Old 10 Jan 2004, 18:35 (Ref:833676)   #8
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Re: Re: new mclaren too cramp for kimi, dc and wurz

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I am sure McLaren will have a problem like this sorted before the 1st race...
I'm sure they'll have it sorted before the next test. It's just because they haven't done a proper seat fitting yet and are using a modified MP4/18 seat. I'd be more suprised if it was fine to be honest. If this is their only issue then god help everyone else!
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Old 10 Jan 2004, 18:42 (Ref:833678)   #9
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I remember 1995 and the problem was known then too and took several months to rectify.

Anyone remember what mclaren said back then?
In 1995 pre-season testing, both Hakkinen and Mansell suffered discomfort in the car. Mika apparently sorted his problems out quickly, but Nige had the miss 2 races while McLaren designed a 'new' MP4/10B for him (and before the old Mansell-is-fat jokes come out again, the 10B cockpit allowed only an extra 5cm for his hips...!)
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Re: Re: Re: new mclaren too cramp for kimi, dc and wurz

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I'm sure they'll have it sorted before the next test. It's just because they haven't done a proper seat fitting yet and are using a modified MP4/18 seat. I'd be more suprised if it was fine to be honest. If this is their only issue then god help everyone else!

and I said at the end of that Damon that ".....after all that is what testing is all about."

and I agree with you where you say if this is their only problem god help everyone else!
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Old 10 Jan 2004, 23:09 (Ref:833881)   #11
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I find it a little rediculous that this hasn't been taken care of already. With a team of that caliper to overlook a major detail like driver comfort seems a little surprising to me...maybe the ythough they could get away with the old seat but as soon as they had a problem, they should have immediately done a full seat fitting for each driver in the car IMO
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You post a link to a story and then leave a remark like that, what exactly is your point?
Well as this is a discussion forum I guess it must be to discuss it? However no views on this matter were posted so the natural conclusion is that it was done to gloat over someone else's misfortune?

Anyway, the story is worth discussing. It is indeed shades of '95. McLaren are working on the seat, maybe that will help. I'll be interesting to see what happens over the next few test days. It'll be obvious if they fix it. Luckily none of the drivers has Mansell's physique.
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Old 11 Jan 2004, 02:57 (Ref:834013)   #14
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Ron: Well, this is what you've been waiting for. Take a look at what you'll be driving in 2004. (Ron whips out a 1:13 scale model) The MP4/19! Hop in Kimi...

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Ron: Well, this is what you've been waiting for. Take a look at what you'll be driving in 2004. (Ron whips out a 1:13 scale model) The MP4/19! Hop in Kimi...

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they should nickname it the spruse goose (ala simpson's)
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they should nickname it the spruse goose (ala simpson's)
Wouldn't work.

"Spruce Goose" was the name of a gigantic plane (around 1945).
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Doesn't matter if he does or not, he'll (and we) have another season before finding out
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Old 11 Jan 2004, 14:04 (Ref:834312)   #19
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Sorry to disappoint mansellmania, but McLaren will do fine once the main season starts. Making the effort to acocmodate Nigel in 1995 was a waste of time because his motivation was clearly non-existant once he realised he'd have it harder tahn 1992, with a car off the pace and an under-rated fast team-mate who went on to be one of the greats.
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Just reading on Autosport.com that Raikkonen has set an unnofficial track record at Jerez, and he also has a new seat; which is working out for him quite nicely thank you
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1. K. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes MP4/19 1'16"125 32 laps
2. M. Gene Williams-BMW FW25B 1'16"341 63 laps
3. R. Schumacher Williams-BMW FW26 1'16"769 86 laps
4. P. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes MP4/19 1'17"240 118 laps
5. R. Briscoe Toyota TF103 1'18"562 103 laps
6. J. Button BAR-Honda 005/B 1'18"575 39 laps
7. T. Sato BAR-Honda 005/B 1'19"866 35 laps

HOWEVER, the wing on the rear of the McLaren today was last years model and therefore ILLEGAL.
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Hmm. Mansellmania starts an anti-McLaren thread. Now there is a surprise!
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Even more surprising.......it's still going strong!!!!!
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Even more surprising.......it's still going strong!!!!!
Clock is ticking....
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