BMW 6 series

[bf1]

I don't want to start another thread on the 'other' BMW but just to let you know that the six series homologation for GT1 has been approved see:

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press...101204-02.html

bf1

[SALEEN S7R]

What "other" BMW? Anyway, would be nice to see the the BMW 6 series race, looks more of a GT2 car IMO than a GT1 but hey its homlogated for GT1 so who am I to argue.

[JAG]

The FIA also agreed to introduce an invitation class to FIA GT as seen at the Spa 24hrs.

This is an open invitation for BMW to enter the M3 GTR!

Any unhomologated car can enter.

BTW I'm sure Le Mans also allows unhomolgated cars as long as they do not lap quicker than 3.55 (GT1).

Could be interesting.

[simon c]

BMW plus HJ Stuck - something special about that, even after all these years...

[Fogelhund]

What a BMW in GT1? How can that be? They only make Touring cars no?

[GT-Eins]

Me wonder that they enter Things like the M3 or the 6-series instead of the Z8 - that was intended by the engineers at BMW as a Porsche-opponent.
Who was driver of that GT1-Homologation? BMW itself? Or just Ratel? Or is there a private company gearing up with the construction of such a chassis?

[panoz.lmp1]

I´m sure that only the manufacturer can homologate a car.

[David L]

[QUOTE=Fogelhund]What a BMW in GT1? How can that be? They only make Touring cars no?
QUOTE]

In a word.. No..

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by panoz.lmp1

I´m sure that only the manufacturer can homologate a car.

Not true.

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Happy now?

[panoz.lmp1]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Not true.

In the FIA list of homologated cars i only found one entry -for example- for a 996 GT2. And not several entries for PSI, Manthey, A:Level, WSM.

I know that Tuner or teams can order a "Wagenpass" (don´t know the english word for the document of the national asn) to run the car in championships. But to homologate a car in the FIA list you must be a car manufacturer....

Or i´m wrong. If i´m wrong i´m glad to hear more than "Not true."

[bf1]

Please dont get caught up in that subject again, its Christmas
Anyway we now have the 6 series to talk about

P.S @ panoz the wagenpass is probably just a local holomogation from the ASN in question, Germany?

bf1

[slicktsax]

well now that the 6 series is hologated all we need to do is wait for BMW to develop a racing M6. will be son cool to here it's screaming 5 liter V10 fly by against the 6 liter V12's of the maserati, aston martin, ferraris and lambos, and the 7 liter rumbling V8's of the vettes and saleens. on another interesting note i was reading the latest Road and TRack Mag and there i saw from piictures at a car show a new Viper Coupe for teh road. i find this interesting as do recall the last time Chrylser introduced a coupe version of teh previous viper. last time they introduced a coupe they made a race car out of it. could this lead the way for a new generation viper GT1 car, only time will tell and i do hope they make it

[FIRE]

I had expected and preferred homologation for GT2 (to offer Porsche some resistance).

[jcz]

Hello,

good article on BMW future in touring car and GT races series is in following link:
http://www.sportscarpros.com/cottonb...rs/default.htm
jcz

[Mave]

Originally Posted by GT-Eins

Me wonder that they enter Things like the M3 or the 6-series instead of the Z8 - that was intended by the engineers at BMW as a Porsche-opponent.

Because Z8 is ****? It's just a show/poseur car... wasn't it maligned in every review? Gorgeous though....

[alfasud]

Originally Posted by jcz

Hello,

good article on BMW future in touring car and GT races series is in following link:
http://www.sportscarpros.com/cottonb...rs/default.htm
jcz

Interesting link.... I especially liked this bit:
"Theissen confirmed that BMW is seeking rule breaks to develop the 6-series for the new GT1 category"

Is it just me or is anyone else getting a sense of deja vu?

[TerryC]

Originally Posted by slicktsax

well now that the 6 series is hologated all we need to do is wait for BMW to develop a racing M6. will be son cool to here it's screaming 5 liter V10 fly by against the 6 liter V12's of the maserati, aston martin, ferraris and lambos, and the 7 liter rumbling V8's of the vettes and saleens...

Definitely. Can't wait to see the race spec M6 in the flesh.

[mikmx]

deja vu for sure. I hope Bmw will not do the m3 gtr thing all over again or go the masarati road. Nevertheless can't wait to see them race!

[SALEEN S7R]

Indeed, would be a huge shame to see BMW go down the same road with the M6 as they did with the M3, lets hope they have learned from their mistakes a couple of years ago..

[slicktsax]

yeah but the road M6 itself should be a good starting point. a 5 liter V10 is a good starting point and can always be enlarged like the V12's in the 550's were and the V8's in the vettes. the main problem with the 3.2 straight 6 in the road M3's was that it didn't have enough low end torque and they used teh same size air restrictor as the 3.6 liter flat 6 in the porsches. may not seem like much but the extra .4 liters helped the porsche in teh torque department. also BMW said the 3.2 straight 6 couldn't be enlarged anymore. but the M6 has a brand new V10 so i'm sure they don't need to make a special engine like a V12 or anything. also the 6 series is quite aerodynamic. to tell u something freaky. back when i saw the concept for M6 i said, "now that would make a good GTS car" i was already imagining it in race trim in PTG colors racing head to head against the saleens, vettes, and ferraris.

[Mave]

http://www.bmw.com/generic/com/en/pr...se_1/movie.htm

The M6.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Mave

http://www.bmw.com/generic/com/en/pr...se_1/movie.htm

The M6.

The photo's withhout the Flash movie:

http://img29.exs.cx/img29/4144/wallpaperbmwm6016ls.jpg

http://img38.exs.cx/img38/3448/wallpaperbmwm6047ou.jpg

http://img38.exs.cx/img38/8079/wallpaperbmwm6034jc.jpg

http://img38.exs.cx/img38/8335/wallpaperbmwm6025zl.jpg

[source: BMW]

I don't like the rear "wing".

[panoz.lmp1]

Originally Posted by FIRE

The photo's withhout the Flash movie:

Thanks for these more usable links. It´s great to have another GT1 car from 2006 on. But i thought back to the LMGTP M3 in 2001 and some of the quotes of Doc. Theissen. I hope that the M6 racing version could be a customer program.

But a nice vision for 2006: Aston Martin DBR9 GT, BMW M6, Corvette (the only succesful GM road racing program ), Ferrari F575 GTC, Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT(hopefuly), (Maserati MC12), Saleen S7-R and some reliable CARE F550...

[slicktsax]

yeah the road version of the M6 looks very nice, i'm sure the race version will look a lot better. i also read what theissen said about needing rule breaks well he said the M6 coupe was heavy. well i would just have to say they could get the M6 down to the minimum weight without rule breaks. the ferrari 575 in road trim is nearly 3900 pounds, the aston martin DB9 in road trim is also close to 4000 pounds and those companies got the cars to the minimum weight without rule breaks. they can use lcarbon fiber body panels of course they'd take out the rear seats, use a lighterweight tranny strip the interirio etc etc etc. i think BMW dicks around too much. if u want to go GT racing then u need to build a road car that is easier to modify to the rules.

[BSchneiderFan]

Originally Posted by panoz.lmp1

the LMGTP M3

Now you're just trying to wind Ayse up.