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23 Jan 2005, 00:17 (Ref:1207503)
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Williams?
was there ever a Williams F3000 team? FORIX seems to think so but doen't have a pic
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23 Jan 2005, 00:19 (Ref:1207505)
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There was a Petrobras F3000 team in 1999-2002 which was a Williams junior team.
Also in 1985/6 a converted Williams F1 chassis was raced in F3000. |
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23 Jan 2005, 10:47 (Ref:1207737)
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Are I Sport a Williams Junior Team in GP2, as I think Frank Williams son is involved.
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23 Jan 2005, 11:43 (Ref:1207784)
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I'm not sure, but I don't think it is, Speed is a Red Bull Jr driver, who may test for the Red Bull F1 team, so I don't think they put him in a Williams Jr Team. But I can be wrong.
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23 Jan 2005, 12:54 (Ref:1207829)
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ISport is not a "Williams" junior team, despite the involvement of Jonathan Williams.
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23 Jan 2005, 12:55 (Ref:1207831)
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23 Jan 2005, 13:13 (Ref:1207840)
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Any photographs? What Williams model was it? a dfv or turbo chassis originally? |
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23 Jan 2005, 16:09 (Ref:1207960)
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ISport are very clear that they are not a Williams junior team, and that Jonathan is acting for them in an advisory/consultancy role
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23 Jan 2005, 16:22 (Ref:1207968)
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24 Jan 2005, 12:18 (Ref:1208506)
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Ah, talk about bringing back the memories - remember seeing the Williams and Arrows race as a kid in F3000 during its inaugural season in 1985. They were DFV (1983 chassis).
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24 Jan 2005, 12:24 (Ref:1208509)
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I'm not sure there will ever be "official F1 Junior teams"
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24 Jan 2005, 15:03 (Ref:1208618)
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In the past, both SuperNova and Durango in F3000 have been official F1 junior teams, for Jordan and Benetton respectively.
We have already mentioned Williams and Petrobras - admitedly the link was only with sponsors in that case, but both drivers were contracted to Williams. To see a real Williams junior team you have to go back to the 1970s and the old Formula 2 championship. Other more recent examples include the West / MySAP.com F3000 team, which was not only a junior team to McLaren, but also worked out of their factory. F1 engine manufacturers have also had their own junior teams, although not in F3000. The Mercedes Junior team ran sportscars for Wendlinger, Frentzen and Schumacher... and then promoted two of them to Sauber, the F1 team it supplied engines to. There are lots of other examples too. |
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24 Jan 2005, 15:07 (Ref:1208625)
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Don't recall Tassin in an FW08 at rounds 1 and 2... IIRC he first appeared at the Oesterreichring with an EJR March 85B.
I do recall Jan Lammers being in an FW08 and eventually getting some reasonable drives in it although they were, again IIRC a bit too large to compete with the Marches, Lolas and Ralts. Mind you the 1985 Lola was so big that rather than put it in the truck, you could almost put the truck in the car! |
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24 Jan 2005, 15:44 (Ref:1208634)
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At Thruxton he qualified 20th and finished 13th, two laps down. |
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7 Feb 2005, 12:27 (Ref:1219326)
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Prost had a junior team, minardi has a junior team in late 90s as did jordan, williams, mercedes/mclaren and beneton in the late 90's /early 2000's
Wastnt the minardi 85 car actually a F3000/F1 car rather than converted, and coloni converted there F3000 car to F1 in the 80's without very much luck. |
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7 Feb 2005, 12:34 (Ref:1219335)
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There was the Jaguar F3 team as well
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7 Feb 2005, 12:47 (Ref:1219341)
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run by Paul Stewart, Was the Stewart F3 team before Jaguar! so It was the Steward F1 junior team in F3!
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7 Feb 2005, 12:56 (Ref:1219349)
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Yes it was PSR then the whole lot became part of Stewart F1 then they sold to Ford and then became Jaguar. What I am pointing out is that there was a Jaguar Junior team whose drivers were testing for the F1 team as well as recieving funding.
This is what should be happening more. It surprises me that the F1 teams do not spend a reletively small amount to help drivers at this stage of their career; manufacture cars which could be sold for profit and used to develop parts for F1; and be seen to be participating and helping the sport at all levels. Hey wait a minute this is one of those logical things that teams used to do many moons ago. Strange how we have advanced so far. |
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7 Feb 2005, 13:31 (Ref:1219368)
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Good Point well made that..... esp in F3 where they could build there own cars at a cost that wouldnt even register on many teams budget
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7 Feb 2005, 16:15 (Ref:1219511)
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Yeah there was an interview with Peter Sauber in Autosport a couple of weeks back talking about his $23 million windtunnel. Then he admitted that before the Robertsons started banging on about how good Kimi Raikkonen was he'd never heard of him. That's an utter disgrace. Why doesn't he spend $22,950,000 on the windtunnel and the spare £50,000 per year on a talent scout who could probably find him a second a lap just by bringing the right drivers to his attention. F1 is so far up its own a***hole it's unbelievable.
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7 Feb 2005, 19:43 (Ref:1219712)
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No, he only did one race, for Eddie Jordan, in 1986.
PMC only ran Leoni and Tassin. |
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