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6 Mar 2005, 08:37 (Ref:1244156)
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20 Mechanics to fill the gas tank.
Seemed really bizarre everytime a car made a pitstop theres all these guys standing there with nothing to do anymore,other than the guy putting the gas in and the lollipopman.
Will all the tyre changers be made redundant,is this part of the cost cutting F1 intended?. Talking of gas tanks how many teams will be scurrying home to try and squeeze a bigger tank in for the next race?. |
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6 Mar 2005, 08:40 (Ref:1244158)
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6 Mar 2005, 08:54 (Ref:1244167)
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The men are standing there in case it starts raining,... so they can change the tires. That's all
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6 Mar 2005, 08:55 (Ref:1244168)
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Remember in 2001 When Jordan had a bigger tank then the other cars... it never really worked for them.
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6 Mar 2005, 09:01 (Ref:1244171)
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One tank of gas will be great at Monaco,especially if you lead into the first corner.....it will be game over..........unless you crash in the tunnel.
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6 Mar 2005, 09:14 (Ref:1244188)
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It sure was...different.
There has been alot of talk of quick tyre pressure checking backpacks but it looks like they will only be used when there is the possibility of improving the handling that way. Overall i thought that one race tyres were allways a good idea in theory and it's good to see them work out safely -so far Unfortunately there are still serious concerns that need addressing |
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6 Mar 2005, 09:18 (Ref:1244193)
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Why dont the F1 cars have an adjustable tyre pressure device,cars at the local speedway here run them,F1 can adjust evertything else on the move why not tyre pressure?.
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6 Mar 2005, 09:45 (Ref:1244234)
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Here is a thread on the pressure changing devices: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66283 On car devices are banned. I'm not sure since when though.
Some drivers did change the pressures at pit stops. It does look a bit silly having all those people around the car, but they are at the GP anyway so they might as well just in case. |
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6 Mar 2005, 09:53 (Ref:1244251)
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I'm not sure if the automatic pressure adjustment is banned per se. More likely it can be seen as active suspension of some sort, if it's banned.
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6 Mar 2005, 10:08 (Ref:1244264)
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6 Mar 2005, 10:10 (Ref:1244267)
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That true...
Though poor Massa might have something to argue on this subject
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6 Mar 2005, 10:24 (Ref:1244278)
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I think that it's quite simple for FIA to pass down a regulation to limit the number of people allowed to work with the car. I think 10 is a reasonable number for a normal stop... unless if it rains.
Not only is it dangerous to have people crowding up, but pretty pointless too. |
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6 Mar 2005, 10:57 (Ref:1244309)
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Yeah, 10 works well! The old "front wheel man" who stops the car/gets run over, the lolly pop man, say 4 people for fuel, + one man to shield the engine covering, and then 3 misc. to clean debries/change things.
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6 Mar 2005, 11:01 (Ref:1244317)
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6 Mar 2005, 11:23 (Ref:1244339)
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Well they didn't need 3 people to change each 1 tyre before, and they certainly don't need them now!
I'm sure it's nice to check the tyre over and check the temperature etc. but it's a safety issue. Some of the cars were passing real close to the mechanics (of other teams) in pit lane at that quite high speed of 100 clicks. And F1 looks a bit stupid with three times as many people as needed standing around in pitlane not doing anything. In my opinion, the safety issue of checking the tyre is less important than the issue of extra people in pitlane. Therefore, surely there should be a limit of people allowed in pitlane for a fuel stop, and allow more when needed? |
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6 Mar 2005, 11:41 (Ref:1244357)
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Should be an 8 person limit in the lane, and they should also look at making the apparatus for the fuel hose lighter so that the lane cane be less congested.
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6 Mar 2005, 12:25 (Ref:1244404)
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Are those guys not there just in case the individual tyres need changing after a visual inspection
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6 Mar 2005, 12:31 (Ref:1244410)
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I must admitt I felt that very strange looking at the pit crew, so many yet, just standing there taking data.
It was unusual to see no tyre changes, and I think it was great that we're now having them type of races from the '80s, (as Martin Brundle very well pointed out) where the race is not part of flat out stints but a whole race, and I certainly enjoyed the race. Last edited by luke; 6 Mar 2005 at 12:32. |
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6 Mar 2005, 13:09 (Ref:1244439)
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The race was a weird one, so different ot what we're used to. Refreshing in a sense.
The pit stops were even weirder though..........I couldn't stop laughing at the sheer ridiculousness of it all at first. |
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6 Mar 2005, 13:23 (Ref:1244449)
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Very wierd indeed....
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6 Mar 2005, 17:07 (Ref:1244667)
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The pit stops sure looked silly. A limit to the number of people in the pit lane is needed. The fewer the better I think. 6-8 is the right number in my view.
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6 Mar 2005, 17:20 (Ref:1244674)
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Put me down for thinking it looked silly as well. Only in F1, where the money is thrown at the most outlandish ideas in the hopes that it will buy a ten of a second, is the cost saving of eliminating tire changes offset by fitting out 14 mechanics in flame-prroff overalls and helmets to hover over the stationary car.
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6 Mar 2005, 17:28 (Ref:1244681)
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Watching the replay and Kimi's last stop, they changed the tyre pressures, removed the damaged barge board, refueled it and checked all the tyres.
In total they would need 4 for pressures. 4 to check tyres etc 2 to clear radiators 3 for fuel (2 for hose & 1 for safety guard) lollipop man Front jack (marker to stop car so the fuel men don't need to move) rear jack (to raise if engine stalls) engine start So that is 19. I think they actually have 4 more at the moment as there used to be 3 on each wheel (one on the gun, one to remove wheel and the other to fit the new one, for efficiency they were all needed despite comments above) Last edited by M Coupe; 6 Mar 2005 at 17:29. |
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