Standing starts

[Kicking-back]

ChampCar say the 2007 car could see them bring in standing starts

[Hazard]

Yippee...

What stops them doing it with the 2001+ car?

[Kicking-back]

They're not designed for sitting idle for as long as would be needed, and could overheat

[GBoehm]

Boy, the ex F1 guys may not like that... "How are we supposed to do a standing start without traction control"

IMHO The rolling starts are one of the things that make Champ Car different it also gives more of an opportunity to warmp up the tires. F1 can do standing because they have tire warmers, and I don't want Champ Cars using more of that fancy european crap. (No offense guys) But we have to keep some tradition!!!

[D.R.T.]

I think KK said something along the lines that standing starts would be considered only for certain tracks. Eg Monterrey because of the wide start/finish straight.

[carsten66]

I don't like the idea of standing starts for Champ Car and like GBoehm said, rolling starts are one of the things that make Champ Car different... and that way it's a challenge for the drivers... think of Tracy, the king of cold tires, the man to beat... something that I don't want to miss.

[danieljboys]

Switiching between standing and rolling starts would add another exciting element to Champ Cars. Definitely gets my vote!

[Omega99]

I think it would at least be an interesting experiment.

[Tim Northcutt]

Originally Posted by carsten66

I don't like the idea of standing starts for Champ Car and like GBoehm said, rolling starts are one of the things that make Champ Car different... and that way it's a challenge for the drivers... think of Tracy, the king of cold tires, the man to beat... something that I don't want to miss.

Standing starts are a TERRIBLE idea...

They are dangerous, they cause many first turn incidents, and if anyone stalls out for any reason, they are a disaster on the grid...

Don't go the F-1 Route...stick with what you have already...They have a pileup at the first corner in most of their racesand many cars that pay visits to the gravel, etc, in F-1......

Rolling starts are much smarter and much safer....

We want good, clean, strategic racing....standing starts are not consistent with that....

Sorry..this idea sucks...this is Champ Cars...not Championship Wrestling, where people pay to see contact and carnage...

[GBoehm]

Thank you.

[Hazza]

The cars would need a hand-clutch or something for the starts like F1 cars.

They could just do what they do in the pits stops and rev it to the limiter and shift up, praying for the best , like one of my favorite memories from Surfers a few years ago:
RAAAOOOWWWWwwwww....*stall* *Salo bangs wheel with fist*

[Amar7605]

I'm not a big fan of standing starts either, but just to see the other side, what could be the reason or reasons that standing starts may be better than rolling starts?

[courageous]

Yes a standing start is more dangerous, but it also gives more opertunity of overtaking. The question is where do you draw the line between entertainment and safety?

[Kicking-back]

Standing starts are safer in some ways - the cars won't be going as quickly when they reach the first corner

[luke]

If the grids were as large as they were ten years a go then maybe rolling stars are better, but the trouble with rolling stars is there is usually not a change of postion where with standing starts there is usually a lot of changes for postion and as the grids are currently around 20, from Mexico and likely to be that for next year I wouldn't mind standing starts, certainly more spectacular...

[Pingguest]

Originally Posted by GBoehm

Boy, the ex F1 guys may not like that... "How are we supposed to do a standing start without traction control"

IMHO The rolling starts are one of the things that make Champ Car different it also gives more of an opportunity to warmp up the tires. F1 can do standing because they have tire warmers, and I don't want Champ Cars using more of that fancy european crap. (No offense guys) But we have to keep some tradition!!!

News flash: Formula 1 has a formation lap before the start of the race.

[Pingguest]

I don't see why standing starts would be more dangerous. And if so, I thought Americans loved danger. That's one of the reasons they are so keen on oval racing.

[Snrub]

I see no evidence that standing starts would be better. I think F1 needs standing starts because of the lack of competition. I think standing starts are more prone to produce radical shake ups in the order. If CC has strong competition then it would be unnecessary to do something like that.

[Kicking-back]

Standing starts are the best way to start races.

US single seaters only have rolling starts because thats what you need on ovals.

If ChampCar hardly races on ovals, there's no need to have rolling starts.

[luke]

Same for the long and serveral pace car yellow laps...during road races, they can simply have like F1 local yellow flags..

[Pingguest]

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Standing starts are the best way to start races.

US single seaters only have rolling starts because thats what you need on ovals.

If ChampCar hardly races on ovals, there's no need to have rolling starts.

I think that rolling starts are not needed on ovals either. The banking shouldn't be a huge problem. At Bratch Hatch it isn't a problem either.

[codename_47]

Originally Posted by Tim Northcutt

Rolling starts are much smarter and much safer....

Tell that to Da Matta!

I don't know where I come down on this issue personally....

I like the Rolling starts because they make Champcar unique, but then (except for Mexico) they usually do sloppy rolling starts anyway, with the first couple of rows lined up and the rest of the cars still negociating the final corners. That's a bit boring.

I'd like it if it were only a couple of races had standing starts, say JUST the road course events, (not streets or obviously ovals) because they're geared up for it.
But then in places like Montreal, if you want to race in F1's back garden you might as well try and differentiate yourself eh?

Hmmm.....

*Hops on the fence for this one*

[rustyfan]

Originally Posted by codename_47

I like the Rolling starts because they make Champcar unique, but then (except for Mexico) they usually do sloppy rolling starts anyway, with the first couple of rows lined up and the rest of the cars still negociating the final corners. That's a bit boring.

I agree that some of the starts this year has been rather sloppy - Mexico City, as you mention, is one example as is Surfers' Paradise which saw the last couple of rows get way behind on the start.

As for rolling starts making Champ Car unique... NASCAR and IndyCar use rolling starts as well, as do, as far as I know, just about every car racing championship in the US

EDIT - In regards to the standing vs rolling starts debate, I wouldn't mind seeing Champ Car introduce standing starts at some tracks. The tighter street-circuits are probably best left with rolling starts though.

[Amar7605]

How about this for a thought: Champ Car touts its diversity of tracks, and say that the best drivers are those who are well-rounded and able to race well on all 4 types of courses.

Why can't some of that driver skill include a mix of standing and rolling starts?

[courageous]

Rolling starts do not make ChampCar unique at all, every international series I can think of (bar one) uses rolling starts.
Having standing starts would be more unique.