Historic race weekend Snetterton

[Simon Adams]

Hello everyone. I am working on a race weekend to put on two grids for historic touring and GT cars. Grid one is for cars up to the end of 1965 and grid two for cars from 1966 to 1977. Grid one is a one hour race for 1 or 2 drivers with thirty minutes of qualifying and the second grid is a two hour race over two one hour heats again two drivers or one, each driver having to complete thirty minutes qualifying. Grid one entry fee is just £275.00 + VAT and grid two is £395.00 + VAT

Some of you might like this as an alternative to the lack of Chimay now. If so, please do let me know. Cars already entered include Batmobiles, Camaros, Escorts, Capris and A Corvette for the 70's with Alfas, Fiats and BMWs for the 60's.

We have an invitational group in both grids for non Appendix K cars.

[Peter Mallett]

As you know Simon I'm unable to enter this but I wish you well.

Zef, Simon Drabble and others may well be keen to support this.

[John Turner]

I was going to ask the date of this event but I see from the Top Hat thread, this is for the weekend 8 & 9 July.

[stevebrown]

Originally Posted by John Turner

I was going to ask the date of this event but I see from the Top Hat thread, this is for the weekend 8 & 9 July.

Have the dates changed? I'm down to marshal this and thought it was 1 &2 July.

Steve B

[John Turner]

You need to check, Steve. Since Simon hadn't put the date on here, I linked it in my mind to this post in the Top Hat thread:-

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....38&postcount=2

Maybe I put 2 and 2 together and came up wth 5!

[Ian Sowman]

The HSCC meeting is on July 1 and 2.

The Historic races which Simon refers to are part of the BRSCC meeting on July 8 and 9.

[Chris Sharples]

The HSCC meeting on July 1/2 seems to have a 60 minute race for Classic Sports Cars. The timetable is on the HSCCC website at; http://www.hscc.org.uk/PDF%20Forms%2...0Timetable.pdf

[simon drabble]

we are keeping our powder dry with the Lotus Cortina until we know whether Chimay is on or off... however I am still thinking about entering the Merlyn for the HSCC round.
Out of interest Simon how are you running the non FIA class? What I mean is will alll the HRSR cars be allowed or are you saying that oversized engines are not allowed?

[JFW]

Blimey that Drabble gets about a bit..............................

[simon drabble]

hahahaha having had a bad start to the season I hope to have a better second half! My Merlyn is still in bits after the 6 Hour last year ;-(

[JFW]

Still,

I would have thought after all the money it cost you would have had a new one by now

[simon drabble]

Originally Posted by JFW

Still,

I would have thought after all the money it cost you would have had a new one by now

hhmm you lost me a bit on that - the good news is that whilst its in bits it costs very little!! Well that is obviously apart from the gearbox rebuild and engine strip ;-((
I need to take a leaf out of your book and learn to spanner myself!

[Simon Adams]

Hello Simon,

Teh idea behind the invitation class is that it allows us to accept cars from other series at our discretion. Yes, some HRSR cars can race, and we can limit them by making them run CR65's for example. The main aim is to have grids that provide not only excitement and good clean racing, but also fun as well. I watched a race at Zandvoort on the weekend, and the grid had six different classes in it and produced a number of excellent duels throughout the race.

I am using the brains of Steve Lydon who is much more knowleadgeable than me on this subject. Having been clerk of course at a number of FIA historic events, plus chief steward, championship organiser etc etc I am sure we can achieve our goals. This includes ensuring off track activities are enjoyable also, for example, we will be feeding and watering you all.

I am however keen to hear all views on this. My personal opinion is that it is time to put on decent events with like minded individuals. Therefore longer races, at good venues with a great atmosphere with little stress!

[Moosehead]

Simon, this sounds like a great idea. If I were ready to go I'd be entering.

Oh, how it must be to be organised

Hope it all works out for you

[JFW]

Its the sensible option to try and keep it APP K if possible

if only as a level playing field

[JFW]

If you are speaking to Steve, send him my regards.
Last I saw him he was very ill [2 years ago]

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by JFW

Its the sensible option to try and keep it APP K if possible

if only as a level playing field

Please not that old saw again!

Arp K doesn't cover post 1966, thus you exclude all the 70's touring cars.

Hence the invitation class. simon is trying to catch those too.

this will be Similar to the top Hat Challenge that runs at Spa.

[zefarelly]

yes Peter, but App K for pre 66 is what he means I know !

I've had 2 weeks of on off on off re CHimay, and as it stands now I'nm not doing it regardless, I've booked and cancelled digs and tunnel, gigs and work, and I'm too busy to be mucked about anymore.

there I've said it . . .everyones getting on my goat at the moment with their unpredictable unreliability !!!

and relax

[simon drabble]

If Simon is referring to HRSR Zef is right he is referring to pre66 with big engines - have to say that turns me off a bit to be honest. If everyone runs to Appendix K engine size then the racing will be close. Simon be careful that you dont simply become a refuge for HRSR hotrods to do long distance racing as you will push the FIA cars away... Julius has done it correctly - spirit of FIA withiut the pedanticness of FIA scrutes (the other day I was reprimanded by an FIA scrute for having a rain light more than 12cm from teh centre of the car!)

[Peter Mallett]

Yes Simon D that is the point. The FIA regs for the pre 66 class but groups 1 & 2 for Post 66

[Al Weyman]

Shame the 2nd race(s) is so long and expensive or I would be interested.

[JFW]

Yes,

sorry to be vague, that was my point, to be a consistent playing field within reason of the type of equipment that the cars had in period.

I agree APP K type - is a good step as the FIA are overly pedantic over minor issues.

J

[Simon Adams]

Having read the various comments from my original thread, I thought I would clarify my position. To start with, I like this sport very much, as do all of you reading this. But then I look at all the various series around at the moment who are all trying to do the same thing, to put on a race series to earn a profit as a commercial exercise, me included. But what happens to the profits? Is the series grown to become very successful and then sold to someone else generating yet more revenue, or used to re-invest into the sport to create an even better series that can be developed for the benefit of everyone involved? I am looking at the latter.
So then I look at Appendix K and hear these series say that is what they are, even the FIA series for GT and touring cars. Problem is, I can't see one that is purely Appendix K. The FIA series this year is down 118 entries from its entire grids than last year. Why? Would you enter a series to go to weird circuits, have a scrute compalin about the "size of a rain light" but then watch a competitor race and win outright in a car that is obviously non-conforming?
My aim is to follow paragraph 1.1 of Appenix K. "Historic competition is not simply another formula in which to acquire trophies, it is a discipline apart, in which one of the essential ingredients is a devotion to the cars and to their history. Historic Motor Sport enables the active celebration of the History of the Motor Car."
1.2 "Appendix K applies to cars which are either original competition cars, or cars built to EXACTLY the same specification as models with international competition complying with the international rules of the period."

The grids I am looking for will be based around these two quotes. Whilst I am not technically minded, I know a man who is, and he will be able to advise me accordingly. I am not interested in the size of your rain light, but the originality of your car. HRSR cars are themselves an unusual breed. However, there are a couple there that could be OK, but would only race if our man syas they can. The invitation class is for cars without papers but are in essence original. We need to make sure that everyone knows, through a simple form of visual indentification, those cars that are "papered" and those that are not.

I look forward to any comments anyone may wish to make.

One final thing. Chimay is definitly off this year. There have been a number of political issues locally that have caused its cancellation so don't blame Julius.

[JFW]

Good points raised Simon and I applaude your intent.

Be careful that in case of a 'weak grid' you do not dilute your good intentions.

Be sure that your 'man' does not take personal/political views on cars or their owners.

J

[Simon Adams]

Hi JFW. Two things, say hi to Steve for you. He is a lot better now than when you last saw him. Regarding the man, his name is John Hopwood. An excellent chap who is not swayed by personal or political view points. That is my job and having been mucked about so much by the FIA and others recently, I no longer do politics!