|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
11 Mar 2023, 15:35 (Ref:4146700) | #26 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 18,496
|
Anyone mention the Arrows A9? After so many teething problems, they finally got it out mid season in 86, before realising there was no point and switched back to the A8
|
|
__________________
He who dares wins! He who hesitates is lost! |
11 Mar 2023, 18:57 (Ref:4146727) | #27 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,503
|
Eiffeland March 721 with new bodywork designed by a furniture designer! Air intake infront of driver and a single rearview mirror centrally mounted. Still racing today in Historics!
|
||
|
11 Mar 2023, 20:02 (Ref:4146734) | #28 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 834
|
Quote:
You missed the Lotus 93. |
||
|
12 Mar 2023, 09:11 (Ref:4146782) | #29 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 18,496
|
||
__________________
He who dares wins! He who hesitates is lost! |
12 Mar 2023, 10:53 (Ref:4146789) | #30 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 691
|
Any BRM after 1962!
Although the P153 and P201 would have been competitive cars with a DFV. |
|
|
12 Mar 2023, 12:36 (Ref:4146792) | #31 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 3,554
|
There were so many F1 cars that failed to perform it is a long list. However in a lot of case poor performing cars were the result of limited budgets for small teams. Speaking of budgets Toyota failed to perform in F1 given the resources they had available. In their current sportscar program they have been the only well funded factory team, It will be interesting to see how they perform against the other factory teams now entering the WEC. |
|
|
12 Mar 2023, 22:01 (Ref:4146842) | #32 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,396
|
Quote:
The evolution in principle was in 1988's Mclaren MP4/4 which also had the driver lying down much more. This car concept of course had some influence from Gordon Murray who worked for McLaren at the time. An earlier Mclaren, the M9A was a failure in concept just like the Lotus 63 and the forgotten Cosworth DFV 4WD. Four-wheel drive failed because of weight and the loss of power through relatively inefficient 4 wheel drive systems of 68-70. The other reason was the emergence in 1968 of wings which negated wheel spin and increased grip in corners in a much more efficient and lighter way than 4WD and also much simpler and cheaper. The beginning of aero in F1. |
|
|
13 Mar 2023, 10:11 (Ref:4146892) | #33 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 18,496
|
Brabham seemed to past their best then. Just seemed to be less interested in developing the car
McLaren in 88 got lucky that they had the right engine in the back, although Murray did do plenty of good work on the car McLaren really seemed to lose their way after 76. It's amazing they kept going after those bad times. And the less said about the Cosworth 4WD, the better. It's amazing looking back in 68-70 how much weaker F1 seemed to be due to circumstances |
|
__________________
He who dares wins! He who hesitates is lost! |
13 Mar 2023, 12:57 (Ref:4146909) | #34 | |
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 9,040
|
Not strictly-speaking the whole car, but the W12 in the Life in 1990 is worth a mention.
|
|
|
13 Mar 2023, 15:24 (Ref:4146936) | #35 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 9,793
|
|||
__________________
Home, is where I want to be but I guess I'm already there I come home, she lifted up her wings guess that this must be the place |
13 Mar 2023, 16:33 (Ref:4146944) | #36 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,503
|
|||
|
13 Mar 2023, 23:47 (Ref:4146976) | #37 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,396
|
Quote:
The M27 and 29 weren't great cars with a good understanding of aero efficiency and the M28 was an classic example of blind thinking. It basically had a huge plane area assuming the bigger the plane the more downforce you could generate and that was all you needed. But it didn't work out like that and McLaren struggled in that whole era with aero. Not until Marlboro got Ron Dennis involved did the team find its footing after Dennis has John Barnard involved and the first MP4 arrived. Then aero balance came back. The MP4/4 in 1988 wasn't luck. The TAG engine had reached the end of its development with the fuel restrictive rules but getting Senna and Honda on board and having Murray involved in the F1 supercar project meant his input with Steve Nicholls who did most of the work on the MP4/4 created a sublime chassis with laid down driver, so the profile las limited to little more than the size of the engine with radiators along the side meant it was very efficient in a straight line, low centre of gravity, wide track stability and god attacking entry and centralized fuel capacity keep the centre of inertia low. All point's in Murray's mind when he had tried the BT56 'rollerskate'. Actually very methodical deliberate design. The monocoque was a simpler very effective idea for assembly that Nicholls came up with, different from the originally MP4 series. |
||
|
14 Mar 2023, 14:29 (Ref:4147025) | #38 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,174
|
I think it may have been mentioned elsewhere on Tenths, but this video about the MP4/4 is fascinating. But that's a bit OT, because clearly that car did work
|
|
__________________
Walk a mile in someone else's shoes. When they realise you have, you'll be a mile away and you'll have their shoes. |
14 Mar 2023, 14:51 (Ref:4147028) | #39 | |
Racer
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 219
|
||
|
15 Mar 2023, 17:51 (Ref:4147194) | #40 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,984
|
||
|
16 Mar 2023, 00:52 (Ref:4147238) | #41 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,396
|
Quote:
There was a change coming up and they weren't going to supply more engines for a dying formula. And there was obviously some reason to only support one contender with the new naturally aspirated cars. Even Lotus used Judds in 1989. |
||
|
17 Mar 2023, 15:12 (Ref:4147432) | #42 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,984
|
Quote:
Supplying Lotus instead of Williams, certainly did not improve Honda's overall results! |
||
|
18 Mar 2023, 08:55 (Ref:4147672) | #43 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,503
|
I read the Japanese lacked confidence in a team run by a man in a wheelchair - another one of their mad decisions
|
||
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Didn't see this one coming! Zytek Motorsports goes into Administration. | cg7aa | Sportscar & GT Racing | 1 | 26 Oct 2010 03:09 |
Formula One templates and designs | Razor | Predictions Contest & Fun | 2 | 24 Mar 2008 22:07 |
want to drive one of your own designs?? | steve nielsen | My Track Designs | 6 | 5 May 2007 11:50 |