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Old 30 Jul 2003, 16:57 (Ref:675474)   #26
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Two-thirds (I think - what is the distance at which a race can be stopped and called a result without a re-start?).

Of course all of this enjoyable conspiracy stuff ignores the fact that the cars are weighed before qualifying - I think the FIA might raise an eyebrow if a car that weighed 615 kilos on Saturday then went on to do 20 laps! They aren't about to pull a car out of the race and weigh it, but I'm sure there would be words!
But who knows the weights?....Not you, me or the other teams!

10kg of fuel is worth 3 tenths of a second around Silverstone.
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Old 30 Jul 2003, 18:18 (Ref:675564)   #27
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Recall that in the Canadian GP Alonso was slower than the leaders at the start (over 20 seconds behind for parts of the race IIRC) but was significantly quicker than them at the end of the race.
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Old 30 Jul 2003, 18:24 (Ref:675571)   #28
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That's because Renault ran a longer second stint and a shorter final stint than the others so towards the end of the race he was running with lesser fuel than others
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Old 31 Jul 2003, 08:26 (Ref:676051)   #29
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But who knows the weights?....Not you, me or the other teams!

10kg of fuel is worth 3 tenths of a second around Silverstone.
Yea, I know - that's why I wrote that the FIA might have something to say about it, because they know.
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Old 31 Jul 2003, 10:09 (Ref:676123)   #30
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Because they're a dying race ?
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Old 31 Jul 2003, 10:14 (Ref:676129)   #31
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That's because Renault ran a longer second stint and a shorter final stint than the others so towards the end of the race he was running with lesser fuel than others
Just think of what you are saying - in the final stint, everyone should have the same amount of fuel left because everyone needs to get to the finish line before they run out of fuel lah!!
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Old 31 Jul 2003, 20:10 (Ref:676621)   #32
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Haha VB.
X_dt; I dont think Renault do it ever race, and Glen I dont think the FIA care a fig until they start winning, as so far all it's done is spice up 'the show' and helped blunt Ferrari's edge.
As yet it's not worked out for Renault due to other circumstances beyond their control!

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Old 3 Aug 2003, 18:12 (Ref:678829)   #33
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My My! What thirsty Renaults at their 2nd fuel stop!
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Old 3 Aug 2003, 18:28 (Ref:678841)   #34
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? I missed that? Did they take on a lot of fuel? They had to, of course, because it was a very long way till the end of the race.
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Old 4 Aug 2003, 09:50 (Ref:679390)   #35
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They did taike a lot of fuel - but it was an early second stop and a long way to the line from there.
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Old 4 Aug 2003, 09:58 (Ref:679393)   #36
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12 second stops for both cars!
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Which was basically the same as Schuamcher's stops at the same time.
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Old 4 Aug 2003, 10:30 (Ref:679411)   #38
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HC - why do you fail to mention the number of laps remaining at the time of the stop? I thought you were claiming to know something about F1? If you only mention one facet of an argument and willfully ignore the rest you don't do much for your credibility.
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Old 4 Aug 2003, 15:16 (Ref:679695)   #39
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The total pitstop times for the Renaults were no different to any other two-stopping team - Coulthard and Button spent about one minute (give or take one second), and so did Trulli and Alonso. If they were using fuel as ballast before, I don't think they are now.
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Old 4 Aug 2003, 16:36 (Ref:679753)   #40
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How do you know?

The theory actually comes directly from another F1 team!
The Renault could still be closer to the weight limit at the end than other cars.
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How do you know?

The theory actually comes directly from another F1 team!
The Renault could still be closer to the weight limit at the end than other cars.
Hockenheim - pit stop information
J.P. Montoya: 28"601 (lap 17), 27"638 (lap 33), 28"146 (lap 50)
D. Coulthard: 30"919 (lap 18), 30"241 (lap 42)
J. Trulli: 29"747 (lap 14), 31"207 (lap 38)
F. Alonso: 28"882 (lap 18), 32"113 (lap 39)
O. Panis: 28"497 (lap 15), 28"359 (lap 32), 28"438 (lap 49)
C. Da Matta: 27"286 (lap 17), 27"794 (lap 33), 27"350 (lap 50)
M. Schumacher: 29"034 (lap 17), 31"961 (lap 38), 32"746 (lap 63)
J. Button: 29"942 (lap 21), 30"179 (lap 43)
J. Villeneuve: 33"676 (lap 1), 34"429 (lap 34)
N. Heidfeld: 28"230 (lap 16), 27"825 (lap 34), 27"491 (lap 51)
M. Webber: 30"071 (lap 20), 31"296 (lap 44)
N. Kiesa: 34"978 (lap 2), 33"423 (lap 24), 33"318 (lap 43)
G. Fisichella: 1'01"702 (lap 11), 31"712 (lap 32), 30"935 (lap 49)
J. Verstappen: 30"271 (lap 1), 35"088 (lap 23)
J. Wilson: 5'56"415 (lap 1)
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Old 5 Aug 2003, 00:17 (Ref:680061)   #42
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High contrast,

Did you see the camera angle where you could see the drivers faces inside their visor? I swear that Trulli had green skin! I heard from another F1 team that Trulli is actually an alien.

It's all a conspiracy! Careful, or little green men might come after you.
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and Aliens put on weight during the GP, bringing the Renault up to the minimum weight limit.
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