F3000 Nurburgring Results

corkholio · 28 Jun 2003, 15:07 (Ref:645477)

1. Toccacelo
2. Liuzzi
3. Kiesa
4. Schroeder
5. Hill (not kidding)
6. Janis
7. Giammaria
8. van Hooydonk
9. Giebler
10. Schmidt
11. Slowgartner
12. Langhorne
13. Wirdheim -1
14. Sperafico -1
15. Sccassletti -1
16. Pantano -1
17. Friesacher R
18. Bell R

Rafael · 28 Jun 2003, 15:34 (Ref:645483)

How was the race?
Were Wirdheim and Sperafico involved in an accident?

x_dt · 28 Jun 2003, 15:55 (Ref:645491)

Quote:

Originally posted by Rafael
Were Wirdheim and Sperafico involved in an accident?

They made contact in the twisty section on lap 1.

Friesacher and Bell (racing for 3rd) made contact at the first corner a few laps in. Pantano knocked his wing askew against van Hooydonk IIRC.

esorniloc · 28 Jun 2003, 16:08 (Ref:645503)

Who set the fastest lap?

x_dt · 28 Jun 2003, 18:54 (Ref:645568)

Wirdheim.

esorniloc · 28 Jun 2003, 21:19 (Ref:645632)

Quote:

Originally posted by x_dt
Wirdheim.

Thanks

BootsOntheSide · 28 Jun 2003, 21:20 (Ref:645633)

Who would you blame for those two collisions? Or racing acccidents? Wirdheim's run of podium finishes is finished, but most of the main rivals didn't score well, so the damage to his championship isn't too great

**ghinzani** · 28 Jun 2003, 21:39 (Ref:645645)

only saw the first half but Wirdheim caught the back of Sperafico and Patrick I'm afraid to say moved over on Townsend when he could have given him room.

Russfeld · 28 Jun 2003, 21:42 (Ref:645648)

Bell has no claim to criticise when he entered the corner completely sideways

BobbyB · 28 Jun 2003, 21:55 (Ref:645653)

Quote:

Originally posted by Russfeld
Bell has no claim to criticise when he entered the corner completely sideways

Wrong there, Russfeld. Bell had beaten Friesacher into the apex of the turn, and Pat blindly turned right into Bell's line, trying to cut him off, thus causing the wreck. Bell was not sideways at all, he was simply following the radius of the turn. After they both were out of the race, Friesacher then had the gall to approach Bell in the pits (so it appeared on TV) to complain. Bell wasn't too happy with Pat, and I don't blame him.

corkholio · 28 Jun 2003, 21:56 (Ref:645654)

Pantano actually broke his wing at the pylon at the entrance of the Veedol chicane.

Russfeld · 28 Jun 2003, 22:31 (Ref:645679)

BobbyB thats like saying if the limit of braking for a corner is 200m, and i brake at 150m, that because i got to the mid corner first that ive successfully passed you, nevermind that im about half a second from landing upside down in the gravel.

Bell was not in control of his vehicle. Granted Freisacher probably could have given him room, but I dont blame him for assuming Bell would drive like a professional.

BobbyB · 28 Jun 2003, 23:29 (Ref:645712)

Russ- we'll have to agree to disagree here. The commentators stated that Friesacher blew it. And Bell was NOT sideways.

Russfeld · 28 Jun 2003, 23:33 (Ref:645714)

I like the SV announcers, but the gospel of racing they are not. If anything they're more Bell-biased than ever since Montreal.

You didnt just give birth to Townsend's kid did you?

SALEEN S7R · 29 Jun 2003, 00:19 (Ref:645729)

Russfeld, Friesacher saw TB coming down the inside and turned in on him! He didnt give him racing room. Its as simple as that, and he came off worse. Bobby, not only did the USA commentators state that it was Friesacher that was in the wrong, the Eurosport commentators (Martin Haven) said so also. And judging by the replays its fair to say that Friesacher was the guy in the wrong I think.

Good result for Wirdheim, a seat in F1 next year perhaps?

gillestrois · 29 Jun 2003, 01:25 (Ref:645746)

Saleen, it isn't simple. In my point of view (and seeing the race again), TB made a dive on Friesacher. There wasn't conditions to TB turn because when he break (if he did it) his front spoiler it was BEFORE the piano while Friesacher start to turn. Do you want to be simple or easy ? Try to see why TB fired himself on CART in 2002 in Cleveland. It was the same movie: there wasn't racing home in those occasion but he tried. He crashed just five cars.

avsfan733 · 29 Jun 2003, 01:43 (Ref:645750)

Go Will Langhorne!!
12 place in only his second F3000 not half bad, did anyone on speedvision mention him, how did he look? He's a member of our kart club and there have been a couple of emails flying around

**bella** · 29 Jun 2003, 01:57 (Ref:645758)

oh dear. ricardo sperafico does have a habit of getting into collisions doesn't he?

wirdheim for f1? pull the other one, it plays a tune....

BobbyB · 29 Jun 2003, 02:01 (Ref:645760)

Quote:

Originally posted by gillestrois
Saleen, it isn't simple. In my point of view (and seeing the race again), TB made a dive on Friesacher. There wasn't conditions to TB turn because when he break (if he did it) his front spoiler it was BEFORE the piano while Friesacher start to turn.

Sorry but I can't comprehend what you are trying to say. What piano are you referring to? Yes, TB made a strategic attempt to pass on the corner, and we would have called it a brilliant move if Friesacher hadn't spitefully plowed into his side. How else do you want to describe it? Passes aren't handed out easily... you must take some risk to make them happen. And by the way, his troubles in CART have absolutely nothing to do with today's incident.

BobbyB · 29 Jun 2003, 02:07 (Ref:645763)

Quote:

Originally posted by Russfeld
I like the SV announcers, but the gospel of racing they are not. If anything they're more Bell-biased than ever since Montreal.

You didnt just give birth to Townsend's kid did you?

Well, they are giving him a fair shake- he's shown that he can speak as well as drive. Is that biased?

What exactly do you mean by your comment about Townsend's newborn son? Clarify please.

corkholio · 29 Jun 2003, 05:44 (Ref:645792)

Quote:

Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
Russfeld, Friesacher saw TB coming down the inside and turned in on him!

Except for the fact that Friesacher admitted on camera that he didn't see Bell.

DavidStHubbins · 29 Jun 2003, 09:56 (Ref:645873)

Why was it a good result for Wirdheim??! He crashed!

A piano?! Townsend Bell's kids?

Who ISN'T on drugs here? Hands up kids.

**ghinzani** · 29 Jun 2003, 10:25 (Ref:645883)

Quote:

Originally posted by avsfan733
Go Will Langhorne!!
12 place in only his second F3000 not half bad, did anyone on speedvision mention him, how did he look? He's a member of our kart club and there have been a couple of emails flying around

Umm he was off the pace, last of the unlapped runners I think.

Still at least he did'nt run into anyone and ruin his own race.

Interestingly Hubbins I did think I saw a small baby playing a piano at the first corner but it may have been my altavista language translator playing up!

R · 29 Jun 2003, 11:02 (Ref:645901)

I can't see how anyone can call 13th place a good result for Wirdheim, unless what you're getting at is that two of his closest championship rivals (Pantano and Sperafico) didn't score points either.

Toccacelo up to 2nd in the championship now, 10 points behind Wirdheim. Biggest surprise of the day was Derek Hill's 5th place finish. Credit where credit's due, he drove a good race.

DavidStHubbins · 29 Jun 2003, 11:22 (Ref:645915)

I just don't know what to expect next with F3000 this year....

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